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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #100 on: May 02, 2021, 09:15:10 PM »
So the big question is if the police blocked the exit. That is what you'd see if you read through this whole forum.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #101 on: May 02, 2021, 09:15:25 PM »
So the big question is why did the police block the exit? sorry I did not read through this whole forum.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #102 on: May 02, 2021, 09:22:21 PM »
So the big question is why did the police block the exit? sorry I did not read through this whole forum.
Hopefully with time we will gain some clarity.
More importantly, I think any sloped exits are a recipe for disaster- is it at all possible to level them?
Is it possible to have s/o stationed at the entrance of the exits to control the amount of people leaving at once?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #103 on: May 02, 2021, 09:58:32 PM »
Just like in many circles, Zohar is only for 40+, the Lag Baomer at R Shimon should be for 40+ only, and exceptions for Chalaka children and their parents. Very easy to enforce, and it's not it any way discriminatory.
How about 40+ at night and 39- at day and switch that every year?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #104 on: May 02, 2021, 09:59:55 PM »
I've heard from s/o who's bro-in-law was trapped there.  According to him, police closed the exit to stop the flow of people exiting. People were packed like sardines, it was terribly hot and began fainting...after 20 minutes they realized it was a mistake and removed the barricade. By then people had fainted and others were falling on top of them...

Read through this thread, watch the clips, you’ll see that he didn’t see correctly.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #105 on: May 02, 2021, 10:04:37 PM »
Read through this thread, watch the clips, you’ll see that he didn’t see correctly.
Possibly,. Although none of the clips show anything before the disaster so there's no way to know for sure

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #106 on: May 02, 2021, 10:08:30 PM »
Read through this thread, watch the clips, you’ll see that he didn’t see correctly.
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As the news of the disaster at Meron first broke out, there were many differing accounts of how it happened, including the collapse of bleachers. However, it quickly became clear that those reports were mistaken.

Instead, the incident occurred as thousands of people made their way down a narrow downward walkway by the Toldos Aharon complex toward the exit of the site. The police, apparently unaware of how many people were in the walkway, blocked the exit for a few minutes for some reason, creating a terrible bottleneck. Meanwhile, people inside were crushed together and toppled on top of each other. The metal floor was also reportedly wet for some reason and some people on the walkway fell and there was a chain reaction, with people on top of the stairs toppling on those below.

“The blockage led to people being compressed,” the witness said. “More and more people who wanted to leave the crowded [Toldos Aharon] plaza entered the passageway, that according to witnesses was also wet.”

“And that’s how the disaster occurred. Hundreds and perhaps thousands of people on the way down, with no exit, with no possibility of moving backward.”

“We were walking and suddenly movement stopped,” one survivor told Channel 12 News. “I saw police blocking the entrance and I yelled: ‘People are dying here!’ Children were fainting in their parents’ arms.”

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #107 on: May 02, 2021, 10:10:05 PM »
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Oh, I guess we are wrong.  ::)
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #108 on: May 02, 2021, 10:10:31 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #109 on: May 02, 2021, 10:18:34 PM »
Possibly,. Although none of the clips show anything before the disaster so there's no way to know for sure

They show the scene before the cops arrived, so yes indeed he saw incorrectly. Also watch the testimonial from the paramedic at the front of the pile.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #110 on: May 02, 2021, 10:19:48 PM »
Read through this thread
Jus following instructions
I wasn't there- I was repeating what I heard f/s/o who was. The details only matter so that we learn from them for the future. Hopefully safety precautions will be taken going forward. I imagine future levayas, L"B events will look very diff in EY and the US
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #111 on: May 02, 2021, 10:22:32 PM »
YWN
I'm assuming that this person was near the middle/back, looking down and seeing the police in front and assuming that they were blocking people from moving without realizing that they were really trying to help remove the human blockade that had formed before they arrived.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #112 on: May 02, 2021, 11:12:04 PM »
So the big question is why did the police block the exit? sorry I did not read through this whole forum.
3 reasons
  • to keep it in line with the covid restriction limits
  • Someone fainted so they blocked it no one should trample on them
  • they didn't block it

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #113 on: May 02, 2021, 11:29:16 PM »
Can only people with first hand understanding of the situation or actual contacts/influence that can create change be part of this discussion please?
We have enough armchair crowd control experts with zero influence.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #114 on: May 02, 2021, 11:34:48 PM »
]The police, apparently unaware of how many people were in the walkway, blocked the exit for a few minutes

They source their info the same way we do here. All we have right now is "apparently."

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #115 on: May 03, 2021, 12:52:37 AM »
@PlatinumGuy

Any plausible explanation for this?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/COX0X67iONW/?igshid=qhqi1j1lzu5i

Watch till the end.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #116 on: May 03, 2021, 12:53:59 AM »
Was just thinking, inside the mearah, many people would faint, and then the same pile up would happen, if not for the massive ac pumping air.
If the pathway that it happened on, is always as packed as the videos show, there was a need for big fans blowing in there. Was there?
I don't know what the weather was like that night, but there are definitely heat waves there many years on lag beomer. Those pathways needed air.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #117 on: May 03, 2021, 01:04:32 AM »
Was just thinking, inside the mearah, many people would faint, and then the same pile up would happen, if not for the massive ac pumping air.
If the pathway that it happened on, is always as packed as the videos show, there was a need for big fans blowing in there. Was there?
I don't know what the weather was like that night, but there are definitely heat waves there many years on lag beomer. Those pathways needed air.
fan doesn't help when people are piled up, what was the cause of the pile up? slippery metal how will a fan solve your problem?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #118 on: May 03, 2021, 01:14:21 AM »
I only went inside once, in 2003 iirc.

I was 18 then and really good shape and really crushed.

We need to stop glorifying this. Yes many walk away energized spiritually but the masses of energy also kills people.

Blaming the police doesn't address the serious safety issues ignored for years

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #119 on: May 03, 2021, 01:23:48 AM »
@PlatinumGuy

Any plausible explanation for this?

https://www.instagram.com/tv/COX0X67iONW/?igshid=qhqi1j1lzu5i

Watch till the end.
What does this have to do with this thread? Is this the CLM thread?