How did the Meron tragedy unfold?

[PlatinumGuy]

maybe in the last seconds, it was moved but how did the bottleneck start? at what point was the barricade moved? maybe the pressure was too strong and when it was moved a pile-up happened.

We know there was a  barricade and it was moved. we don't know at what point was it moved.

Nonsense. There was never any barricade there. There is a video posted above that showed the pile of dying people blocking the passage without any barrier or police in the vicinity.

Open your eyes and stop spewing misinformation that will make people obey police even less.

[yuneeq]

maybe in the last seconds, it was moved but how did the bottleneck start? at what point was the barricade moved? maybe the pressure was too strong and when it was moved a pile-up happened.

We know there was a  barricade and it was moved. we don't know at what point was it moved.

The video is likely within seconds of the collapse happening, we don’t even see cops yet in the video which means it likely happened within the minute. And yet the gate is neatly tucked to the side, color me skeptical that somehow the crowd moved it so quickly and neatly. Odds are it was there either in case they needed it (I’m sure they had to use it for crowd control after everyone was evacuated)l, or to use as a railing for the stairs.

[yesitsme]

@PlatinumGuy believes that police is not to blame because you don't see them in the footage, the barricade is not to blame because people where anyways trampled, he fails to understand that the police are the ones that put down that barricade that caused people to trample in each other,

@PlatinumGuy please clarify if I didn't describe your position correctly

[CountValentine]

maybe in the last seconds, it was moved but how did the bottleneck start?

Lets just assume there were no barricades in place. Poor planning is the reason for the bottleneck.

[PlatinumGuy]

@PlatinumGuy believes that police is not to blame because you don't see them in the footage, the barricade is not to blame because people where anyways trampled, he fails to understand that the police are the ones that put down that barricade that caused people to trample in each other,

@PlatinumGuy please clarify if I didn't describe your position correctly

THERE IS NO BARRICADE

[yesitsme]

THERE IS NO BARRICADE

Then you gotta watch the video again, there clearly is

[Afrages6]

@PlatinumGuy believes that police is not to blame because you don't see them in the footage, the barricade is not to blame because people where anyways trampled, he fails to understand that the police are the ones that put down that barricade that caused people to trample in each other,

@PlatinumGuy please clarify if I didn't describe your position correctly

What barricade?

[PlatinumGuy]

Then you gotta watch the video again, there clearly is

Post a screenshot of it or take your comment back.

People slipped and piled on top of each other, blocking everybody in back of them. The video clearly shows zero obstruction in front of them. Not a fence, not police, and not a crowd. Simply a pileup.

[yerushabubby]

Every organization under the sun had their livestream cameras set up. It's reasonable to assume that during the setup of the technical infrastructure existing wiring was accidentally cut and/or spliced.

Additionally, how can one think that somehow there was was malicious intent for disabling of existing cameras when they added tons of new cameras for lag b'omer livestreams?

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

I never said that it was malicious  - quite the opposite!  You left out the part of my post that says:
(accidentally or intentionally doesn't matter at all!).

[mgarfin]

THIS IS FROM A DIFFERENT EXIT

see the thread

https://twitter.com/avi1mimran/status/1388873788314554370

[yesitsme]

Who was the organizer for this event?

Bentzion kupershtuck passed away from covid, which left a gap

[PlatinumGuy]

THIS IS FROM A DIFFERENT EXIT

see the thread

https://twitter.com/avi1mimran/status/1388873788314554370

An emergency exit via private property that was intended to be closed and was opened as soon as the police commander realized there’s an emergency.

Israel doesn’t have the discipline to impose precautions in advance, but the response afterwards was second to none.

[yerushabubby]

There are so many things that went wrong there, it wasn't just one thing.

 - the police assumed that less people would come because of Covid, when actually, may people who do not go every year went this year since they couldn't last year
 - the various government ministries spent a lot of time trying to work out how to handle it this year, causing a delay in the actual planning in Meron
 - the fact that Lag B'Omer was Erev Shabbos meant that more people went up by night instead of waiting to go later in the day
 - the petira of R' Kupershtock meant that there was no one experienced enough with coordinating the various organizations involved


In short, there were many parts to this tragic event - so many things just waiting to go wrong!  The normal barriers placed even a millimeter closer together, a mistake about whether the people were trying to enter or leave, not enough garbage cans causing people to drop bags and bottles as they squeezed through a narrow space, leading to someone slipping ...

[PlatinumGuy]

 - the police assumed that less people would come because of Covid, when actually, may people who do not go every year went this year since they couldn't last year

This is not true, there were far less people than other years.

This could have happened any year. Just look how NYPD prepares for mass events - there are movable  fences on both sides with a large sterile buffer area along the entire procession and cops every few feet to allow evacuation and emergency response.

[pomy100]

This is not true, there were far less people than other years.

This could have happened any year. Just look how NYPD prepares for mass events - there are movable  fences on both sides with a large sterile buffer area along the entire procession and cops every few feet to allow evacuation and emergency response.

@platinum
Meron has been operating on miracles every year, this year Hashem who loves us so, decided we didn’t deserve it. End of story. Enough with the ridiculous finger pointing !

[yitzgar]

@platinum
Meron has been operating on miracles every year, this year Hashem who loves us so, decided we didn’t deserve it. End of story. Enough with the ridiculous finger pointing !

Why are you picking on platinum guy?

[yesitsme]

Post a screenshot of it or take your comment back.

People slipped and piled on top of each other, blocking everybody in back of them. The video clearly shows zero obstruction in front of them. Not a fence, not police, and not a crowd. Simply a pileup.

What are they leaning on?
https://m.imgur.com/aTeioKH

You can see it here the last 15 seconds
https://twitter.com/hasidic_1/status/1388708655218966528

You can also see it on other videos but its hard to see the metal of the barricade, on one side you see hundreds of people compressed on the other side you see people/police/hatzala trying to remove it

[YitzyS]

Why are you picking on platinum guy?

Picking on Platinum Guy is one of my most favorite pastimes, it's almost addictive. 

[yuneeq]

What are they leaning on?
https://m.imgur.com/aTeioKH

You can see it here the last 15 seconds
https://twitter.com/hasidic_1/status/1388708655218966528

You can also see it on other videos but its hard to see the metal of the barricade, on one side you see hundreds of people compressed on the other side you see people/police/hatzala trying to remove it

Already debunked. There was no gate preventing people from getting out

The gate is seen in 2 videos above, it was off to the side from the start.
https://streamable.com/29z556 notice the boy in red at 0:26 holding on to gate for support
https://streamable.com/wub3xj

[Lurker]

Hashem decided... End of story. Enough with the ridiculous finger pointing !

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