How did the Meron tragedy unfold?

[EliJelly]

There was a hand railing on the stairs too, as seen in the new revealed footage.

[LNS]

There was a hand railing on the stairs too, as seen in the new revealed footage.

this is what i was referring too and what @PlatinumGuy responded too

[Kobe Bryant]

clearer https://streamable.com/kp801k

It seems clear as day, that the police had nothing to do with what happened at that particular spot.

[ExGingi]

clearer https://streamable.com/kp801k

https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2021_q2/Article-249099ac79d3971026.htm

תיעוד האסון – דקה אחרי דקה

00:41 - הדרך עדיין פנויה והחוגגים עולים וגם יורדים ממנה בנוחות, אבל תכף הכול ייראה אחרת. באותו הזמן למעלה מתרחשת ההדלקה ומסביב המונים - הרבה יותר מאותם 3,159 איש שאושרו בתוכנית הבטיחות.

00:44 - ההמון מתחיל לזרום ההרחבה אל הדרך, והעומס מורגש היטב בתוך שניות. בשטח לא נראה שוטר או איש כוחות החילוץ שמנסה לעשות סדר.

00:45 - דקה חולפת וחובש כבר מטפס על המעקה מימין בניסיון להציל את עצמו ולפתוח ציר להמונים שמאחור. אבל אז מגיע הרגע הנורא מכול - ההמון פשוט קורס עם הירידה במסדרון. אלו שהיו בקצהו השמאלי התחתון של המסדרון נופלים מהעומס ויוצרים פקק אנושי, ומאחור הלחץ רק גובר.

00:46 - מלבד ההמונים שנלחצו בקצה המסדרון, יש נקודה בעייתית נוספת בנקודה הימנית של התיעוד – מוקד שמתפתח לעוד אסון. מבוגרים וילדים מנסים למצוא דרך מילוט, או לפחות לנסות לנשום, אבל המשימה לא אפשרית. אחד המתפללים נראה שורק להמון שמאחוריו, מבקש שיזוזו לאחור ומנסה להסביר את חומרת המצב - אבל איש לא שומע.

00:47 - עוד דקה עוברת והלחץ רק גובר. ההמון תקוע, דחוס, ושלושה שוטרים מגיעים ומנסים באיטיות לחלץ את אלו שקרסו ושוכבים בקצה המסדרון. כמה בעלי תושייה מתחילים לפרק את יריעות הפח שחסמו את המעבר ויצרו להם דרך מילוט שהצילה כמה מהם. כל העת מלמעלה משקיפים מתפללים אחרים, מנסים לסייע מרחוק אבל דבר לא עוזר.

00:49 - אברך אחד מימין מצליח לפרק את יריעות הפח מהצד השני, לטפס מעליה, ומנסה לחלץ גם אחרים. מהמרפסת בצד שמאל מתחילים לזרוק בקבוקי מים אל אלו שנתקעו בהמון וצעקו לעזרה.

מחסום משטרתי שעצר את ההמון מלנוע לא היה בשלב הזה. למעשה, חלפו כבר יותר מ-4 דקות גורליות - וכוחות הביטחון, שוטרים, אנשי מד"א, כיבוי אש ואיחוד הצלה כמעט ולא נראו כאן, טרם הבינו את גודל האירוע.

00:51 - כמה צעירים מצליחים לטפס מעל המחסום שכרו מימין, בזמן שמשמאל שוטרים מסייעים להמון לצאת מהדרך שפרצו מתחת למדרגות - אבל איש כבר לא יציל את אלו שעדיין בשביל מימין, לחוצים מאחור ולא זזים כבר יותר מ-6 דקות.

11 דקות ארוכות כמו נצח חולפות, ואז כבר אפשר לראות שוטרים ואנשי הצלה מתחילים לפזר את ההמון. חולפים ביניהם, מנסים למשוך מתחת להמון את הילדים וללא הצלחה. עכשיו ממדי האסון כבר ברורים לכולם - 45 בני אדם נהרגו כאן.

יחזקאל לב, פעיל בהקדשות במירון, אמר ל-N12: "המשטרה רוצה לחפות על הכשל הנקודתי הזה ורוצה לחפות על כל הכשל המערכתי של כל האירוע של ל"ג בעומר. היה פה כשל מערכתי ענק". בהמשך הוסיף: "איפה כל התרגולים? איפה כל ההכנות שקדמו לאירוע? ודווקא אחרי כזה כשל  של כל האירוע הזה, לבוא ולדרוש שהמדינה תשלוט שם כל השנה זו דרישה הזויה, בפרט לנוכח הכשל הגדול".

[Deal Guy]

If they really want to clear things up, let them post the whole video, or at least from 12:41 to 12:45 unedited to show how the buildup went.
It seems very odd that at 1241 there was 2 way traffic, and moving quick, and at 1244 such a hugh bottleneck, going one way only.

Some questions to address:
1- Why was this allowed to be 2 ways in the first place, at this time in the day, during Toldos Aharon? (In fact, it was mentioned earlier, that in 2019, this path was closed during Toldos Aharon lighting. https://mobile.twitter.com/yaircherki/status/1389622688184942592/photo/1.
It definitely shouldn't have been open 2 ways at the same time.

2- What happened to the many dozens of people who at 12:41 were seen going up the steps to enter Toldos Aharon? Did they suddenly encounter a "mob" going the other way? What happened when they met? Did they cause a blockage as they pushed to go the other way and get in to the packed hadlokah, and therefore slowed the big crowd leaving and caused a buildup? Can we see the full video of when the 2 sides met? (From the video we see at 12:45, it would've been nearly impossible for the many dozens going in the opposite direction to break through, so what happened when they met? ).

3- Since they so far have refused to put out the full unedited footage from the bottom of the steps from 1241 to 1245, who is not to say, that since Toldas Aharon was so crazily overpacked this year, that a command wasn't issued for the police to close off the exit at the bottom of the steps for a bit, since they wanted to stop people from also entering through those steps, since toldas Aharon had reached more than max capacity. Of course at 1245 its not closed in the video, but there is always the possibility that they tried closing it after 12:41 to prevent entrance, and then after 2 minutes when they saw the bottleneck, they opened it, but it was too late to prevent the buildup. I agree that it may sound farfetched, but until they put out the full unedited from 1241 to 1245, who is to say it didn't happen? After all, why is there a gate sitting on the side, if it wasn't made to be even used?

All they need to do, is post those 3-4 minutes unedited, and my 3rd point will disappear. But if they don't show it, I have a right to question, since some witnesses did claim the police was blocking. They can dispell that by posting the full 3-4 minutes.

[yuneeq]

If they really want to clear things up, let them post the whole video, or at least from 12:41 to 12:45 unedited to show how the buildup went.
It seems very odd that at 1241 there was 2 way traffic, and moving quick, and at 1244 such a hugh bottleneck, going one way only.

Some questions to address:
1- Why was this allowed to be 2 ways in the first place, at this time in the day, during Toldos Aharon? (In fact, it was mentioned earlier, that in 2019, this path was closed during Toldos Aharon lighting. https://mobile.twitter.com/yaircherki/status/1389622688184942592/photo/1.
It definitely shouldn't have been open 2 ways at the same time.

2- What happened to the many dozens of people who at 12:41 were seen going up the steps to enter Toldos Aharon? Did they suddenly encounter a "mob" going the other way? What happened when they met? Did they cause a blockage as they pushed to go the other way and get in to the packed hadlokah, and therefore slowed the big crowd leaving and caused a buildup? Can we see the full video of when the 2 sides met? (From the video we see at 12:45, it would've been nearly impossible for the many dozens going in the opposite direction to break through, so what happened when they met? ).

3- Since they so far have refused to put out the full unedited footage from the bottom of the steps from 1241 to 1245, who is not to say, that since Toldas Aharon was so crazily overpacked this year, that a command wasn't issued for the police to close off the exit at the bottom of the steps for a bit, since they wanted to stop people from also entering through those steps, since toldas Aharon had reached more than max capacity. Of course at 1245 its not closed in the video, but there is always the possibility that they tried closing it after 12:41 to prevent entrance, and then after 2 minutes when they saw the bottleneck, they opened it, but it was too late to prevent the buildup. I agree that it may sound farfetched, but until they put out the full unedited from 1241 to 1245, who is to say it didn't happen? After all, why is there a gate sitting on the side, if it wasn't made to be even used?

All they need to do, is post those 3-4 minutes unedited, and my 3rd point will disappear. But if they don't show it, I have a right to question, since some witnesses did claim the police was blocking. They can dispell that by posting the full 3-4 minutes.

4. Why at 12:41 do we see a glare of light in the video, and then suddenly it cuts out the evidence that the glare is indeed coming from headlights of the UFO that landed on top of the crowd, crushing them and flying away? What is the govt trying to to hide?

[VacationLover]

Some questions to address:

The full video will come out. Have some patience and don't blame anyone.

Unfortunately, many things went wrong

1)  Until  this happened, people were coming in until "the crowd" suddenly started walking out after lightning the fire (don't forget that it was very late and people still had a 3 hour drive home)

2) Yes, it is very possible that since it was a 2 way traffic, people still tried to get in until the very last minute.

3) it is clear as day that at this particular spot at that time no one was blocking. There are reports that a different exit was blocked and caused more people to come here.

[Lurker]

If they really want to clear things up...

Why do you seem so intent on blaming the cops? Having the answers today isn't changing anything. Patience...

[yesitsme]

https://mishpacha.com/tishah-bav-on-lag-bomer/

[PlatinumGuy]

Here is another very graphic video from the exact place the conspiracy theories are pretending cops were blocking that clearly shows the pileup of dying people halfway down the staircase blocking everybody behind them, and cops arriving and pulling people out of the pile.

People are flat on the ground in several levels on top of each, that can't happen by pressure into a barrier, only where there is a gap that people fall into.

https://streamable.com/1i9ry1

[Euclid]

https://twitter.com/hasidic_1/status/1390389629019475969

We're getting into "did Yigal Amir really kill Rabin" territory.

[Deal Guy]

Whenever we mentioned the gate (or no gate) at the bottom of the steps, I assumed it to mean, literally at the bottom of the steps.
Now I'm starting to think, the gate that we see on the right side wall, was actually put right after the steps, to prevent people from making a right turn. They were forcing everyone to make a left after exiting the steps.
Unlike in the beginning of the video when people were able to come or go, whether right or left.

[Deal Guy]

https://www.rivkalevy.com/meron-catching-channel-12-in-the-lie/

[The Metzuyan]

Whenever we mentioned the gate (or no gate) at the bottom of the steps, I assumed it to mean, literally at the bottom of the steps.
Now I'm starting to think, the gate that we see on the right side wall, was actually put right after the steps, to prevent people from making a right turn. They were forcing everyone to make a left after exiting the steps.
Unlike in the beginning of the video when people were able to come or go, whether right or left.

From 44 secs into the Ch 12 Video until approx 1:15 you clearly see people still making the right turn and heading that way

[googwallet]

So it went from a desire to place blame corroborated with some eyewitness accounts (themselves in utter distress), to a full-fledged conspiracy theory against all the established evidence. No need to follow conspiracy theories anymore, we can now come up with our own. smh.

[VacationLover]

Whenever we mentioned the gate (or no gate) at the bottom of the steps, I assumed it to mean, literally at the bottom of the steps.
Now I'm starting to think, the gate that we see on the right side wall, was actually put right after the steps, to prevent people from making a right turn. They were forcing everyone to make a left after exiting the steps.
Unlike in the beginning of the video when people were able to come or go, whether right or left.

FYI there is also "Clear" evidence that the government planned the 9/11 attacks etc. You can manipulate any information any way you want.

Regarding the barricade to the right. Let's assume this was the case. Do you know that the right side leads to a awfully steep staircase (to תולדות אברהם יצחק) that is a lot narrower  than the subject staircase?

Perhaps it was closed of in good intention so that people shouldn't push there? Either way there are definitely a lot of things together that went wrong unfortunately, and every year there was a lot of pushing in the subject area.

If you hadn't seen it yet, I'll attach a screenshot of a photo from 2 years ago that says that this way is dangerous and it will be closed. Now, if you blame the officials for intentionally blocking the area, why was there a sign on the previous years that this place is dangerous? There are also videos from previous years that show that this was clearly a dangerous exit. And unfortunately no action was taken

Bottom line is that this horrific tragedy was באשערט, and there is no need to blame anyone. Not the police, and not the קנאים that didn't allow the planned renovations. It. Was. Meant. To. Be. Period.

[TimT]

and not the קנאים that didn't allow the planned renovations.

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[PlatinumGuy]

It. Was. Meant. To. Be. Period.

That's doesn't release anybody from responsibility, just like every crime and murder.

[S209]

The sheer volume of conspiracy theories and pretzels concocted in just a week surprises even me. Why? To what end?

[VacationLover]

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It all added, but no one is solely at fault.

I heard someone wondering why when it came to evacuating the injured by foot they did so using 8 EMT's, they should have used 2 EMT's and 6 random people which there was plenty of, so there would be more medical personal at the scene.

Could've/Should've. No one is solely at blame, and you don't know what the scene looked like from their point of view. A lot of factors together went wrong, unfortunately.

Again. It was clearly meant to be.