How did the Meron tragedy unfold?

[TimT]

It was clearly meant to be.

So do we leave things the way it is & whatever’s meant to be next year will be ?

[ExGingi]

So do we leave things the way it is & whatever’s meant to be next year will be ?

Learning lessons from this about paying proper attention to safety was also meant to be.

[yelped]

Learning lessons from this about paying proper attention to safety was also meant to be.

No, we weren't supposed to wait for this to happen to learn to be makpid on ונשמרתם מאד לנפשותיכם.

[flyingace]

Is it possible to make corrections for the future without blaming anyone for the past? Don't we believe that if it already happened, it was meant to happen?

[TimT]

IMO anyone who had a part in not allowing the necessary safety fixes bear some responsibility & have blood on their hands. And should not be trusted going forward.

[PlatinumGuy]

I heard someone wondering why when it came to evacuating the injured by foot they did so using 8 EMT's, they should have used 2 EMT's and 6 random people which there was plenty of, so there would be more medical personal at the scene.

There was no shortage of EMT personnel...

[TimT]

Don't we believe that if it already happened, it was meant to happen?

When I learnt about amalek as a kid I wondered the same thing. It was bashert & hashem chose them. (I’m not comparing the 2)

That's doesn't release anybody from responsibility, just like every crime and murder.

[aygart]

It is very clear that the real story is that the guy on the grassy knoll started the whole thing.

[yelped]

It is very clear that the real story is that the guy on the grassy knoll started the whole thing.

? I didn't watch the videos.

[Euclid]

? I didn't watch the videos.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealey_Plaza

One of the more famous conspiracy theories in US history.

[dasmo801]

The sheer volume of conspiracy theories and pretzels concocted in just a week surprises even me. Why? To what end?

Coping mechanism. We all do it in some way. Some cope by getting involved in a fundraiser, others by spending a week engrossed in the physics of crowd shockwaves. And others cope by insisting, contrary to all available evidence, that it was all the fault of the evil Israeli police. Someone mentioned to me that he finds this tragedy so much more difficult than the bus bombings of the 90s because in those cases we were allowed to be angry at the terrorists. That anger itself is a coping mechanism and that's the reason that some will need to find an immediate scapegoat.

[yelped]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealey_Plaza

One of the more famous conspiracy theories in US history.

Oh right!!! 

[VacationLover]

There was no shortage of EMT personnel...

The first few minutes (most crucial) was definitely a shortage consideringthe amountof victims. Most victims didn't get more than a handful of minutes of CPR. I personally don't think that untrained personal would be able to assist.

[VacationLover]

Is it possible to make corrections for the future without blaming anyone for the past? Don't we believe that if it already happened, it was meant to happen?

+1
It's a petty that it had to cost so many R"L

[PlatinumGuy]

The first few minutes (most crucial) was definitely a shortage consideringthe amountof victims. Most victims didn't get more than a handful of minutes of CPR. I personally don't think that untrained personal would be able to assist.

Not true. There were 150 EMT personnel on the mountain. Most of the injured were simple fractures. CPR is useless for people with crushed lungs.

MDA & police drilled an MCI the day prior and there was an army unit on standby nearby. The response was simply perfect.

[VacationLover]

CPR is useless for people with crushed lungs.

Um, are you a licensed medical professional?
A regular EMT can't do anything besides CPR. However, a EMTP with full equipment could indeed attempt and in some cases successfully resuscitate victims even in  traumatic arrest secondary to pneumothorax.

ETA
I am in no way saying that they didn't do their best. I am sure they did their best under these circumstances.

[ExGingi]

No, we weren't supposed to wait for this to happen to learn to be makpid on ונשמרתם מאד לנפשותיכם.

Saying that learning the lesson was meant to be doesn't mean we weren't supposed to be makpid on ונשמרתם.

[VacationLover]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1971418/this-could-have-only-been-from-hakadosh-baruch-hu.html

People say it happened because it was too crowded, that people weren’t responsible, that maybe there was a problem with the police…”

Despite our searing pain, we know that this only could have been from Hakadosh Baruch Hu. Something like this is only the Ribbon shel Oam – there’s no other reason. It was only from Hashem. Ein Od Milvado.”

The family members added that they were in Meron and witnessed how the Hatzalah members and police worked frantically to save people: “We’re not angry. This is what Hakadosh Baruch Hu wanted.”

[yesitsme]

Its from hashem, true
We need to do tshuva, true
We are still allowed and supposed to look back and see what can be done to make it safe

For those that have time on hand can debate if there was a barricade blocking or not and once you figure it out , you can start discussing tomorrow's weather

And BTW it was blocked with a barricade

[VacationLover]

We are still allowed and supposed to look back and see what can be done to make it safe

And BTW it was blocked with a barricade

No one argues about that. Looking back with a constructive eye is the only way to avoid similar situations in the future.

The discussion was if the officials were at fault.

Regarding your last line, POIDH