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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2021, 01:55:27 PM »
Picking on Platinum Guy is one of my most favorite pastimes, it's almost addictive.  :P
I'm not picking on him, I rather enjoy to understand his point of view, my impression about  @PlatinumGuy is that he is smart and we disagree on many topics....

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2021, 02:04:07 PM »
I'm not picking on him, I rather enjoy to understand his point of view, my impression about  @PlatinumGuy is that he is smart and we disagree on many topics....
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2021, 02:11:07 PM »
Already debunked. There was no gate preventing people from getting out
It wasn't debunked, meanwhile there has been no clear video of the barricade, but people are leaning on something and it's hard to see if there's a barricade or they're trapped between other people.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2021, 02:18:17 PM »
It wasn't debunked, meanwhile there has been no clear video of the barricade, but people are leaning on something and it's hard to see if there's a barricade or they're trapped between other people.

You mean people made up that there was a barricade blocking when there’s clear evidence of the barricade off to the side. In reality nothing needs to be debunked, evidence needs to be presented of any barricade blocking people.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2021, 02:24:05 PM »
I'm not picking on him, I rather enjoy to understand his point of view, my impression about  @PlatinumGuy is that he is smart and we disagree on many topics....
I wasn't referring to you

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2021, 04:45:37 PM »
C/P

ש משהו שאנשים לא יודעים.. היו 3 זירות שונות של ערימות ודריסות, במדרגות, בסוף הכבש עוד לפני המדרגות, ובאמצע הכבש ממש..
ככה שגם אם היה מחסום, 2 הזירות האחוריות לא קשורות למחסום כזה או אחר

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2021, 05:01:26 PM »
@platinum
Meron has been operating on miracles every year, this year Hashem who loves us so, decided we didn’t deserve it. End of story. Enough with the ridiculous finger pointing !
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2021, 05:07:39 PM »
C/P

ש משהו שאנשים לא יודעים.. היו 3 זירות שונות של ערימות ודריסות, במדרגות, בסוף הכבש עוד לפני המדרגות, ובאמצע הכבש ממש..
ככה שגם אם היה מחסום, 2 הזירות האחוריות לא קשורות למחסום כזה או אחר
This doesnt make any sense. The back-up in the front caused the crush behind them as well.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2021, 05:09:31 PM »
This is the best way to avoid doing anything in the future
I think we can acknowledge this is from Above while being mechazek our vigilance in the future.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2021, 05:16:03 PM »
This is the best way to avoid doing anything in the future

You don't need to place blame on people in order to use this tragedy to improve the way things have been done. We can acknowledge all the things which could have been done better. There's quite a list. Calling for people's heads isn't the answer here, and definitely not right now.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2021, 05:20:46 PM »
You don't need to place blame on people in order to use this tragedy to improve the way things have been done. We can acknowledge all the things which could have been done better. There's quite a list. Calling for people's heads isn't the answer here, and definitely not right now.
I think that can be done too, at the right time, alongside the other two things that are no less important, acknowledging it's from above, and working with whoever can affect positive change.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2021, 05:30:49 PM »
I think that can be done too, at the right time, alongside the other two things that are no less important, acknowledging it's from above, and working with whoever can affect positive change.

If an investigation shows gross negligence, by all means. Until that point... I feel the pain, and I can't help but to draw parallels to, l'havdil, situations we see in the States. Little good comes from the anger.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2021, 05:35:51 PM »
If an investigation shows gross negligence, by all means. Until that point... I feel the pain, and I can't help but to draw parallels to, l'havdil, situations we see in the States. Little good comes from the anger.
Anger is not good and the distrust (including in the investigation) seems unavoidable barring something incredible. Both the situations here and in the US with the police have a lot of boy that cried wolf to them in varying degrees and it's not helping anyone. Does anyone have a better solution than pray and stay out of trouble?
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2021, 05:43:04 PM »
Does anyone have a better solution than pray and stay out of trouble?
I was giving these some thought. Perhaps the Rabbonim, Rebbes, & askonim can work something out along the lines of;
1)Spread the praying out over several days.
2)Have the celebrations elsewhere.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2021, 05:45:48 PM »
Just like in many circles, Zohar is only for 40+, the Lag Baomer at R Shimon should be for 40+ only, and exceptions for Chalaka children and their parents. Very easy to enforce, and it's not it any way discriminatory.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2021, 05:46:54 PM »
I was giving these some thought. Perhaps the Rabbonim, Rebbes, & askonim can work something out along the lines of;
1)Spread the praying out over several days.
2)Have the celebrations elsewhere.
I was commenting re clashes with police.
Re crowding- been talked about, dont think it will happen. It shoudnt be such a stretch to implement better crowd control.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2021, 05:47:15 PM »
Just like in many circles, Zohar is only for 40+, the Lag Baomer at R Shimon should be for 40+ only, and exceptions for Chalaka children and their parents. Very easy to enforce, and it's not it any way discriminatory.
Be realistic
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2021, 05:50:16 PM »
Just like in many circles, Zohar is only for 40+, the Lag Baomer at R Shimon should be for 40+ only, and exceptions for Chalaka children and their parents. Very easy to enforce, and it's not it any way discriminatory.
This doesn’t make much sense. And how will anything be enforced ? We’re going to turn the place into a war zone ?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2021, 05:53:32 PM »
This doesn’t make much sense. And how will anything be enforced ? We’re going to turn the place into a war zone ?

There are only 3 roads that lead to Meron, all of which are anyways closed off by police. The checkpoints should look at one thing only: Photo ID that you're over 40. Otherwise you get turned around/removed from the bus. Wait till you're 40, you'll get your turn.

Under 40's are more likely to push & shove etc. and just like that you cut 75% of the crowd.