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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #140 on: May 03, 2021, 10:34:48 AM »
Time to move this thread JS?
Or we can keep things constructive here & the police bashing can continue in the various police threads that have popped up.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #141 on: May 03, 2021, 10:37:10 AM »
Time to move this thread to JS

Overdue.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #143 on: May 03, 2021, 10:47:23 AM »
Or we can keep things constructive here & the police bashing can continue in the various police threads that have popped up.
We are just a bunch of know nothings being busy bodies anyhow. It isnt like this is what will change anything.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #144 on: May 03, 2021, 10:49:58 AM »

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #145 on: May 03, 2021, 11:12:38 AM »
The neftarim are all buried. IMHO the time for introspection is now, before emotions are thawed.
My like on this post was on the first line.

It's time for introspection.

The definition of introspection, per Google, is "the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes." (emphasis added)

If all we do when the dust settles is point fingers, 45 people will have died in vain. Obviously safety measure will need to be taken, but they will be taken regardless of what all the geniuses on DDF decide. The only meaningful action we can do here is introspection - to look inside ourselves and see what needs to change there. Not elsewhere.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #146 on: May 03, 2021, 11:18:29 AM »
Obviously safety measure will need to be taken...
...but will they? We see tragedies all the time in this country without anything being done.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #147 on: May 03, 2021, 11:19:18 AM »
...but will they? We see tragedies all the time in this country without anything being done.
I believe they will. But I'm certain that DDF chatter will have zero impact on it.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #148 on: May 03, 2021, 11:21:29 AM »
I believe they will. But I'm certain that DDF chatter will have zero impact on it.

Precisely

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #149 on: May 03, 2021, 11:29:13 AM »
This is not completely true.
"there are no absolutes"
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #150 on: May 03, 2021, 11:34:57 AM »
"there are no absolutes"
You might be surprised but there are people here who have a listening ear by askonim, politicians, & certainly by big donors who support these organizations that might be against any change.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #151 on: May 03, 2021, 11:38:12 AM »
This is the most simplest easiest to understand reason why it happened. Combined with the graphic that was posted earlier.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1970192/journalist-published-eye-witness-reports-which-may-explain-how-the-trampling-in-meron-began.html

"the initial cause of what became the collapsing crush of people that killed both young children and older men, was one of the celebrants suffering a heart attack and collapsing in the first row."

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #152 on: May 03, 2021, 11:38:49 AM »
Precisely
I believe they will. But I'm certain that DDF chatter will have zero impact on it.
I fully disagree. You have no idea how influences spread.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #153 on: May 03, 2021, 11:43:20 AM »
Why is those targeting the police now are some of the same induvials that defend the police every time a black man is killed?
That is a rhetorical question in case you can't tell.

Time to move this thread JS?
He already alluded to this earlier ;)

Maybe everyone should take their opinions about inner-city policing and use them here.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #154 on: May 03, 2021, 12:06:49 PM »
I fully disagree. You have no idea how influences spread.
100%
They start somewhere.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #155 on: May 03, 2021, 01:03:17 PM »
https://t.me/miron2021tiodim

Telegram group with many graphic videos from the event. The pileup clearly happened halfway down a staircase, there is nothing else that could possible block the middle of the staircase other than people lying on top of each other.

The idea that an eyewitness can tell the difference between a cardiac event and fainting in these conditions is pathetic. The first person who fell gave a thorough and coherent interview posted upthread that it started by somebody simply slipping - and the guy who slipped was quickly dragged away.
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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #156 on: May 03, 2021, 01:23:19 PM »
This is the most simplest easiest to understand reason why it happened. Combined with the graphic that was posted earlier.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1970192/journalist-published-eye-witness-reports-which-may-explain-how-the-trampling-in-meron-began.html

"the initial cause of what became the collapsing crush of people that killed both young children and older men, was one of the celebrants suffering a heart attack and collapsing in the first row."
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying things like 'first row'. It only looks like the first row in retrospect because the people ahead of whatever causes the blockage continue on, leaving empty space ahead of the blockage.

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #157 on: May 03, 2021, 02:27:34 PM »
You might be surprised but there are people here who have a listening ear by askonim, politicians, & certainly by big donors who support these organizations that might be against any change.
Can you show those DDFers this thread ?

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=59628.0

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #158 on: May 03, 2021, 02:46:17 PM »
Multiple photos showing a gate...
@PlatinumGuy what's your response to this evidence?

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Re: How did the Meron tragedy unfold?
« Reply #159 on: May 03, 2021, 02:49:39 PM »
@PlatinumGuy what's your response to this evidence?
You’re joking, right? Those photos are proof it was on the side, resting against the wall.. it’s clear as day.
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