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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1800 on: June 03, 2021, 09:06:50 PM »
You are on a roll and again wrong. USPS provides a service. That is why it is still around.

But Anne, I thought it wasn't about the benefits and just simple math?
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1801 on: June 03, 2021, 09:07:04 PM »
You are on a roll and again wrong. USPS provides a service. That is why it is still around.


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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1802 on: June 03, 2021, 09:11:23 PM »
But Anne, I thought it wasn't about the benefits and just simple math?
Who is Anne?
Compare to like things and it is.
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1804 on: June 03, 2021, 09:16:48 PM »
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1805 on: June 03, 2021, 09:21:00 PM »
Who is Anne?
Compare to like things and it is.

Auntie Anne, Queen of Pretzels, and apparently your patron saint.

I AM comparing like to like. If you want to look at pure numbers and not the benefits that come with them, as you would like to do with trade deficits, then by the same standard, we should have closed the USPS years ago. But as you said, they provide a service, so the numbers not adding up don't tell the whole story. Economics is more than the numbers in trade. A $7B deficit doesn't take into account the jobs created for the country on the "losing" end of the trade deficit, nor any of the other benefits which may come with the relationship. Trade is often a loss leader for greater gains.

Our wealth is disappearing not because we have trade deficits, but because our biggest deficits are with countries who provide little-to-no other benefits. We also have a welfare/handout issue in this country which isn't helping us, in addition to education problems and the fact that we w don't make a whole lot of anything here anymore, but we're already deep into the weeds here.
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1806 on: June 03, 2021, 09:23:11 PM »
OK, I didn't see the "Annie" post when I asked the question. Their cinnamon and frosting are killer!!!
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1807 on: June 03, 2021, 09:34:56 PM »
I AM comparing like to like. If you want to look at pure numbers and not the benefits that come with them, as you would like to do with trade deficits, then by the same standard, we should have closed the USPS years ago. But as you said, they provide a service, so the numbers not adding up don't tell the whole story. Economics is more than the numbers in trade. A $7B deficit doesn't take into account the jobs created for the country on the "losing" end of the trade deficit, nor any of the other benefits which may come with the relationship. Trade is often a loss leader for greater gains.
USPS was never meant to make money. It was to provide a service to "all" Americans.
You tried to use trade as economic benefit but that failed. Now are you saying there is benefits to trade but we can't put figures on them?
Again why do you keep harping on aid we give them when I said I have to issue with it and support it?
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1808 on: June 03, 2021, 11:02:35 PM »
USPS was never meant to make money. It was to provide a service to "all" Americans.
You tried to use trade as economic benefit but that failed. Now are you saying there is benefits to trade but we can't put figures on them?
Again why do you keep harping on aid we give them when I said I have to issue with it and support it?
USPS is the glue of the united States, it is what made the 50 States united
and so is Israel,

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1809 on: June 05, 2021, 10:55:15 PM »
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1810 on: June 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM »

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1811 on: June 05, 2021, 11:11:54 PM »
https://mishpacha.com/a-postwar-debriefing/

@CountValentine Good, easy reading.
Yes. Would you have a link to a good easy read for the other sides perspective?
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1812 on: June 05, 2021, 11:17:47 PM »
Yes. Would you have a link to a good easy read for the other sides perspective?
For that I think you'll have to ask someone from the other side. Not sure you'll find many of them on DDF...

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1813 on: June 05, 2021, 11:27:07 PM »
For that I think you'll have to ask someone from the other side. Not sure you'll find many of them on DDF...
So DDF members only read one side of the story? That would explain a lot.
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1814 on: June 05, 2021, 11:41:19 PM »
Yes. Would you have a link to a good easy read for the other sides perspective?
You find one that refutes this with cold, hard facts.

I'm afraid I'll look like this guy waiting on hold.




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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1815 on: June 05, 2021, 11:55:52 PM »
Yes. Would you have a link to a good easy read for the other sides perspective?
There are a few on al Jazeera and Vox and the like
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1816 on: June 06, 2021, 12:03:47 AM »
You find one that refutes this with cold, hard facts.
You remember WMD's? Maybe if we listened to the other side we wouldn't have bought it hook line and sinker. Not saying that is happening here. When you only hear one side and claim it to be facts it is not very convincing.
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1817 on: June 06, 2021, 12:24:06 AM »
You remember WMD's? Maybe if we listened to the other side we wouldn't have bought it hook line and sinker. Not saying that is happening here. When you only hear one side and claim it to be facts it is not very convincing.
Yawn.

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1818 on: June 08, 2021, 01:15:25 PM »
You have to love how first they criticize Israel for attacking the building, then disclose that the building was unoccupied at the time that it was struck and at the very end mention that three weeks later they discovered the tunnel under the building.

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UNRWA is deeply concerned about actions by parties to the conflict during recent hostilities in Gaza that caused damage to its installations and violated its inviolability and neutrality.

With no advanced warning, between 13 and 15 May 2021, the Israeli Air Force conducted strikes that caused damage to UNRWA installations, most notably to the UNRWA Zaitoun Preparatory Boys’ School “A” and Elementary Boys’ School “A”. This included the school inner compound yard, which was struck by two missiles, contrary to the inviolability of UNRWA premises and despite the schools being designated as an emergency shelter for civilians during the 11-day escalation. The strike calls into question respect for the fundamental principle of inviolability. Thankfully, no displaced persons were inside the school at the time of the strike and no physical injuries were caused.

The Agency's installations, like all United Nations facilities, are marked as such and fly a United Nations flag on the roof. UNRWA shares the coordinates of all of its installations periodically with relevant Israeli authorities and in times of conflict, the coordinates of designated emergency shelters are shared daily.

While investigating how to secure the building from the missiles, a detailed assessment on 31 May 2021 revealed what appears to be a cavity and a possible tunnel, at the location of the missile strike. The depth of the cavity is approximately 7.5 meters below the surface of the school. UNRWA discovered the existence of a possible tunnel in the context of the investigation of the fired missiles. There is no indication of the existence of any entry or exit points for the tunnel within the premises.

UNRWA condemns the existence and potential use by Palestinian armed groups of such tunnels underneath its schools in the strongest possible terms. It is unacceptable that students and staff be placed at risk in such a way.

UNRWA demands that all parties desist from any activities or conduct that put beneficiaries and staff at risk and undermine the ability of UNRWA staff to provide assistance to Palestine refugees in safety and security.  UNRWA installations are inviolable, and their neutrality must be respected at all times.

UNRWA calls for the parties to the conflict to act in accordance with international law. Letters of protest regarding this incident have been sent to both parties.
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/neutrality-and-inviolability-unrwa-installations-must-be-respected-all

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1819 on: June 08, 2021, 03:47:31 PM »
There's a good reason UNRWA was defunded.