War in Israel

[PlatinumGuy]

Channel 12 reports another interception next to Jlem around 18:50. The exact location is censored so Hamas doesn’t calibrate the launches. Long night ahead

[PlatinumGuy]

משמרות המהפכה האיראנים

ערוץ המקושר עם עזה טוען, תשע בערב תל אביב נכנסת למשוואה.

[yelped]

https://twitter.com/liran__tamari/status/1391786378753683458Its impossible to win. There are hundreds of millions of people aligned with Hamas/Hezbollah.

It is possible to strike back so hard that Hamas/Hezbollah etc would not dare to mess with Israel.

[PlatinumGuy]

New gathering restrictions... (for the South of Israel, not Jlem) http://l5k.me/zDTXR_#phnx

פיקוד העורף: מחר לא יתקיימו לימודים בכל ישובי הדרום

It is possible to strike back so hard that Hamas/Hezbollah etc would not dare to mess with Israel.

Thats an unproven assumption

[ExGingi]

The last 10 years were by far the safest in Israeli history. Appeasement is more effective than anything else.

Regarding appeasement, tell that to the Brits who might remember Chamberlain.

I don't think Netanyahu's policy over the last 10 years was one of appeasement. It was one of showing a strong capabilities with the willpower to withhold action as long as relative peace is maintained.

Part of that is understanding the psychology of (mostly the young people) on the other side. Making their lives miserable would put them in a state of mind of "nothing to lose".

The problem IMHO is that there wasn't enough emphasis on the psychological warfare (not limited to Gaza, rather the entire aggressive part of the Muslim world. A good psychological/theological campaign that would make them consider that with the violence is a form of blasphemy, might have had positive outcomes.

[drosenberg88429]

I sometimes vehemently disagree with @PlatinumGuy as much as the next guy, but it's hard to argue that he's one of the must grounded, knowledgeable, fact based, research based, logical, and well reasoned posters here. If you want to disagree with him, you gotta be a bit more articulate and explanatory than an ad hominem attack or just saying "That's dumb" without explaining why. Otherwise, it'll look like a Ben Schapiro conversation with Ilhan Omar.

[PlatinumGuy]

משמרות המהפכה האיראנים

ערוץ המקושר עם עזה טוען, תשע בערב תל אביב נכנסת למשוואה.

דובר הזרוע הצבאית של ג'יהאד האסלאמי, אבו חמזה מציין את השעה 21:00 כ-אירוע משמעותי בהסלמה.

I think I will go downstairs at 8:55...

[joe1234]

I sometimes vehemently disagree with @PlatinumGuy as much as the next guy, but it's hard to argue that he's one of the must grounded, knowledgeable, fact based, research based, logical, and well reasoned posters here. If you want to disagree with him, you gotta be a bit more articulate and explanatory than an ad hominem attack or just saying "That's dumb" without explaining why. Otherwise, it'll look like a Ben Schapiro conversation with Ilhan Omar.

plenty of times I don't argue with him because of the lack of time needed to fully explain in an articulate way...

[PlatinumGuy]

I sometimes vehemently disagree with @PlatinumGuy as much as the next guy, but it's hard to argue that he's one of the must grounded, knowledgeable, fact based, research based, logical, and well reasoned posters here. If you want to disagree with him, you gotta be a bit more articulate and explanatory than an ad hominem attack or just saying "That's dumb" without explaining why. Otherwise, it'll look like a Ben Schapiro conversation with Ilhan Omar.

Many thanks. I’m out to improve myself and there is a long way to go.

[Lurker]

It is possible to strike back so hard that Hamas/Hezbollah etc would not dare to mess with Israel.

It's not. There are outside forces which can incentivize them more than Israel can disincentivize them. The goal is like @ExGingi said, which is to show you can blow them to hell while making sure their lives aren't bad enough for them to feel they have nothing left to lose.

[PlatinumGuy]

plenty of times I don't argue with him because of the lack of time needed to fully explain in an articulate way...

Thats a shame

[PlatinumGuy]

Regarding appeasement, tell that to the Brits who might remember Chamberlain.

I don't think Netanyahu's policy over the last 10 years was one of appeasement. It was one of showing a strong capabilities with the willpower to withhold action as long as relative peace is maintained.

Part of that is understanding the psychology of (mostly the young people) on the other side. Making their lives miserable would put them in a state of mind of "nothing to lose".

The problem IMHO is that there wasn't enough emphasis on the psychological warfare (not limited to Gaza, rather the entire aggressive part of the Muslim world. A good psychological/theological campaign that would make them consider that with the violence is a form of blasphemy, might have had positive outcomes.

Its like saying antibiotics aren’t good because they don’t cure diabetes. Appeasement was a mistake against Germany because time worked in Germnays favor and they armed themselves better than the allies.

Israel’s policy is carrot and stick. There is was definitely an element of appeasement- see Mossad chief begging Qatar to give $ to Hamas and today’s events, but it was well worth it. There were also plenty of Air Force attacks.

The ailment cannot be cured, we have to do our best to contain it

[yelped]

It's not. There are outside forces which can incentivize them more than Israel can disincentivize them. The goal is like @ExGingi said, which is to show you can blow them to hell while making sure their lives aren't bad enough for them to feel they have nothing left to lose.

@ExGingi agreed.

[m65]

Chamberlain could’ve crushed the German regime.

Thats an unproven assumption

[m65]

New gathering restrictions... (for the South of Israel, not Jlem) http://l5k.me/zDTXR_#phnx

whats about u guys? corona is over so u found a new excuse?

[m65]

Part of that is understanding the psychology of (mostly the young people) on the other side. Making their lives miserable would put them in a state of mind of "nothing to lose".

no, makes their lives so miserable, so its clear that they have lost.
on the other hand when things are peaceful, make their lives bliss.
but at the first squeek, make it clear that בעל הבית השתגע

[m65]

Its impossible to win.

Thats an unproven assumption

no one has ever tried

[Lurker]

@ExGingi agreed.

Not how I understood it. The way I read his comment was that more needs to be done from a psychological standpoint to lessen the incentives to attack Israel, not to try to cripple their ability to strike again through force.

[Euclid]

whats about u guys? corona is over so u found a new excuse?

wonder why they waited this long - corona was over last May

[Lurker]

no, makes their lives so miserable, so its clear that they have lost.
on the other hand when things are peaceful, make their lives bliss.
but at the first squeek, make it clear that בעל הבית השתגע

The first rule of conflict is to know your opponent. There is no level of misery that will bend them into submission.