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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1040 on: May 16, 2021, 12:36:03 AM »
Where/what are you getting that impression from?
Social media, rallies etc

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1041 on: May 16, 2021, 12:41:34 AM »
On my way to Shul this morning (out of town, small town in NJ) a Hispanic looking gentleman in a Lexus pulled up and asked where he could purchase an Israeli flag. He said he supports Israel and wants to show his support because of the terror they’re being subjected to.

On Thursday, the TSA agent patting me down told me he’s “praying for my people”.

I don’t think public sentiment is lower than usual. The far Left has hated Israel for quite some time now. Perhaps they have become a bit more vocal lately.
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1042 on: May 16, 2021, 12:45:37 AM »
On my way to Shul this morning (out of town, small town in NJ) a Hispanic looking gentleman in a Lexus pulled up and asked where he could purchase an Israeli flag. He said he supports Israel and wants to show his support because of the terror they’re being subjected to.

On Thursday, the TSA agent patting me down told me he’s “praying for my people”.

I don’t think public sentiment is lower than usual. The far Left has hated Israel for quite some time now. Perhaps they have become a bit more vocal lately.

That is interesting because here in brooklyn I'm getting the exact opposite vibes.

I'm glad to be hearing about your experiences . It makes me feel a bit less gloomy about everything.

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1043 on: May 16, 2021, 12:47:08 AM »
I don’t think public sentiment is lower than usual. The far Left has hated Israel for quite some time now. Perhaps they have become a bit more vocal lately.
The far left supports Palestine. Does anyone that supports Palestine automatically get labeled as hating Israel?
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1044 on: May 16, 2021, 12:51:35 AM »
The far left supports Palestine. Does anyone that “supports Palestine” automatically hate Israel?
FTFY

Pretty much, unfortunately.  :'(
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1045 on: May 16, 2021, 12:53:01 AM »
The far left supports Palestine. Does anyone that supports Palestine automatically get labeled as hating Israel?

Short answer: Yes.

For longer explanations see the geopolitics thread.
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1046 on: May 16, 2021, 12:54:13 AM »
Social media, rallies etc
Ignore them. Radical leftists she’bleftists

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1047 on: May 16, 2021, 12:57:16 AM »
Short answer: Yes.

For longer explanations see the geopolitics thread.
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1048 on: May 16, 2021, 12:59:31 AM »
That is interesting because here in brooklyn I'm getting the exact opposite vibes.
Ignore them. Radical leftists

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1049 on: May 16, 2021, 01:01:20 AM »
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1393755727005630466.html



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1392986620115181576.html
« Last Edit: May 16, 2021, 01:07:41 AM by yesitsme »

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1050 on: May 16, 2021, 01:03:38 AM »
One analysis.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/while-all-eyes-are-on-gaza-gaza-is-only-half-the-story/

Fatah Secretary-General Jibril Rajoub says no Arab leaders have contacted Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas amid the escalation in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

According to the Palestinian Ma’an news agency, Rajoub says in an appeal to such leaders on Palestine TV: “This is an Islamic-Christian battle that defends your dignity… the Palestinian people are in the first line of defense for your dignity, your oil and your security.”

He adds: “From the behavior of part of the official Arab system, we felt that there was collusion with [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s behavior to perpetuate the division [among Palestinians].”
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1051 on: May 16, 2021, 01:28:40 AM »
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1392986620115181576.html

So basically the foreign media got it wrong because of their ignorance, and are now trying to blame Israel...

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1052 on: May 16, 2021, 01:40:47 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/


“When Hamas’s leaders surveyed their assets before this summer’s round of fighting, they knew that among those assets was the international press. The AP staff in Gaza City would witness a rocket launch right beside their office, endangering reporters and other civilians nearby—and the AP wouldn’t report it, not even in AP articles about Israeli claims that Hamas was launching rockets from residential areas. (This happened.) Hamas fighters would burst into the AP’s Gaza bureau and threaten the staff—and the AP wouldn’t report it. (This also happened.) Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)

Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war to complain about a photo showing the location of a rocket launch, though he said that Hamas claimed that the men “did not represent the group.” The AP “does not report many interactions with militias, armies, thugs or governments,” he wrote. “These incidents are part of the challenge of getting out the news—and not themselves news.”

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1053 on: May 16, 2021, 01:49:06 AM »

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1054 on: May 16, 2021, 01:50:10 AM »
So basically the foreign media got it wrong because of their ignorance, and are now trying to blame Israel...
You want to blame the media?

Israel Defense Forces Spokesperson Hidai Zilberman on Saturday denied intentionally misleading the foreign press about a nonexistent ground invasion of the Gaza Strip as part of a ruse against the Hamas terror group earlier in the week, blaming his unit’s false statements about the matter on an “honest mistake.”
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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1055 on: May 16, 2021, 01:53:33 AM »
That is interesting because here in brooklyn I'm getting the exact opposite vibes.


From non Arabs?

There definitely does seem to be more of a religious element to this conflict that was not as present in previous engagements.

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1056 on: May 16, 2021, 01:56:17 AM »

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1057 on: May 16, 2021, 02:24:56 AM »
h/t Kol Haolam



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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1058 on: May 16, 2021, 02:26:37 AM »
h/t Kol Haolam




https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/


“When Hamas’s leaders surveyed their assets before this summer’s round of fighting, they knew that among those assets was the international press. The AP staff in Gaza City would witness a rocket launch right beside their office, endangering reporters and other civilians nearby—and the AP wouldn’t report it, not even in AP articles about Israeli claims that Hamas was launching rockets from residential areas. (This happened.) Hamas fighters would burst into the AP’s Gaza bureau and threaten the staff—and the AP wouldn’t report it. (This also happened.) Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)

Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war to complain about a photo showing the location of a rocket launch, though he said that Hamas claimed that the men “did not represent the group.” The AP “does not report many interactions with militias, armies, thugs or governments,” he wrote. “These incidents are part of the challenge of getting out the news—and not themselves news.”

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Re: War in Israel
« Reply #1059 on: May 16, 2021, 02:47:35 AM »
You want to blame the media?

Israel Defense Forces Spokesperson Hidai Zilberman on Saturday denied intentionally misleading the foreign press about a nonexistent ground invasion of the Gaza Strip as part of a ruse against the Hamas terror group earlier in the week, blaming his unit’s false statements about the matter on an “honest mistake.”
I feel the idf, put that statement only as pr.

Their original statement wasn't misleading, all it said was "ground troops are currently attacking Gaza" the media choose to be misled, and jumped the gun, before checking their sources, and decided that this tweet meant, they had actually entered. And now the media to save their skin, is blaming the idf that the idf had misled them (and also extra points, to blame Israel for something else).

So Israel to counter, put out the message you posted above. But it's not Israel or that soldier to blame.

And either way, what's wrong even if Israel put that tweet out on purpose? That can't for once use out, the media that is against them for their advantage?