Geopolitics and Wars of Israel

[CountValentine]

We've already agreed that death count isn't a metric anyone should be using to gauge whether a response was appropriate or measured. I don't understand how you can play devil's advocate without first coming up with a good reason for death counts to be used to determine anything.

Death and destruction should be part of the equation and always has been. It should not be the only factor.

[CountValentine]

Fewer than 3000 Americans died on 9/11. How many Iraqis and Afghans have died in the resulting wars?

So you hate Americans and want more to die? What a disgusting thing to ask.

[Yehuda57]

I am not saying they didn't lie. Is Israel lying when they say Hamas assets were "in" the building?

No


This is one of the "Obama Bros". He's as pro Palestinian as it gets. He's arguing that Israel was wrong for targeting that building.

[Yehuda57]

So you hate Americans and want more to die? What a disgusting thing to ask.

I didn't call their response disproportionate. And I didn't use different standards for America as I did for Israel.

[CountValentine]

No


This is one of the "Obama Bros". He's as pro Palestinian as it gets. He's arguing that Israel was wrong for targeting that building.

Are we know going to switch the topic to BO hates Israel?

[CountValentine]

I didn't call their response disproportionate. And I didn't use different standards for America as I did for Israel.

Ya ya ya you just hate Americans and want more to die.
How does it feel?

[YitzyS]

I nominate CV to be an anchor on CNN. In his last bunch of posts, he has proven that he really has all their tactics down pat, and he's more than ready to start the job immediately.

(/joke)

[Yehuda57]

Are we know going to switch the topic to BO hates Israel?

My goodness. I offer you proof. You chose to ignore that and focus on something I said as an aside to give context. Go look at the rest of his timeline and tell me what conclusion you come to in regard to his "pro Palestinian" stance.

And yes, it is objectively true that BO had double standards for Israel. His own forces where operating with worse civilian casualty rates than those he was criticizing Israel for.

[CountValentine]

I nominate CV to be an anchor on CNN. In his last bunch of posts, he has proven that he really has all their tactics down pat, and he's more than ready to start the job immediately.

(/joke)

I wish they would hire me. I would tear some of their talking heads apart. The same goes for FOX.

[Lurker]

Death and destruction should be part of the equation and always has been. It should not be the only factor.

Not all death and destruction is equal. Generalizing without nuance (whose death, what gets destroyed) is the issue the world has. Hamas is a "military" who should be treated like a legitimate army in terms of their rights to attack Israel, but because they have very exclusive military infrastructure, most death and destruction in Gaza is seen as non-military, or civilian. Hence the need for you and the world to clarify the definitions I asked for.

[Yehuda57]

Ya ya ya you just hate Americans and want more to die.
How does it feel?

Where did I condemn America?

[CountValentine]

His own forces where operating with worse civilian casualty rates than those he was criticizing Israel for.

You just keep doubling down on hating Americans and wanting more to die. This is unreal.

[yelped]

https://honestreporting.com/buried-by-nyt-cnn-how-hamas-cashes-in-on-conflict/

[YitzyS]

Where did I condemn America?

My goodness. I offer you proof. You chose to ignore that and focus on something I said as an aside to give context.

I nominate CV to be an anchor on CNN. In his last bunch of posts, he has proven that he really has all their tactics down pat

[yos9694]

I, for one, am sure that the count of Palestinian casualties is a made up number

[CountValentine]

Where did I condemn America?

You keep trying to make the argument US has killed more civilians. What are we to do? Just sit back and let more Americans die?
I am disgusted by your anti-American stance.

[Lurker]

I, for one, am sure that the count of Palestinian casualties is a made up number

It's not made up at all. When a Palestinian is killed, the group they belonged to says, "One death of one of our fighters!" If they were also a civilian, they now count as one militant death, one civilian death. If it was a minor, it becomes, one militant, one civilian, one minor. If it's a woman, we hit the quadfecta. And if she happened to intern for a news organization, we hit the bonus round.

[Lurker]

You keep trying to make the argument US has killed more civilians. What are we to do? Just sit back and let more Americans die?
I am disgusted by your anti-American stance.

It's not an argument. It's a fact. He's not saying the US should have done anything differently.

[CountValentine]

It's not made up at all. When a Palestinian is killed, the group they belonged to says, "One death of one of our fighters!" If they were also a civilian, they now count as one militant death, one civilian death. If it was a minor, it becomes, one militant, one civilian, one minor. If it's a woman, we hit the quadfecta. And if she happened to intern for a news organization, we hit the bonus round.

You are for always wanting to get the ground rules straight. Can we agree the death and destruction has been disproportioned?

[CountValentine]

It's not an argument. It's a fact. He's not saying the US should have done anything differently.

So you hate Americans to and want more to die?