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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #480 on: May 20, 2021, 04:05:42 PM »
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #481 on: May 20, 2021, 04:11:15 PM »
You are the first person that I can remember that stated that. When this has come up in the past members looked like pretzels trying to get around that. I believe most religions are racist.
Interested to see peope trying to avoid the belief that jews are the chosen people. In any case, I think that if the education is to respect every human being, that belief won't translate into any negative racist actions.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #482 on: May 20, 2021, 04:30:53 PM »
That's definitely racist.

Huh? Which race is excluded from Judaism?

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #483 on: May 20, 2021, 04:33:20 PM »
Huh? Which race is excluded from Judaism?
Oxford:

Racism
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #484 on: May 20, 2021, 04:38:04 PM »
Oxford:

Racism
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

Thank you for providing the definition of racism.

Given the fact that there are Jews of every race, and no one is prevented from becoming Jewish based on their race, will you please retract your statement that Judaism is racist?

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #485 on: May 20, 2021, 04:41:36 PM »
Thank you for providing the definition of racism.

Given the fact that there are Jews of every race, and no one is prevented from becoming Jewish based on their race, will you please retract your statement that Judaism is racist?
You are saying Judaism is not technically a race so it cant be racist. You might be technically correct. I believe the fact that Jews believe they are better in a certain specific way than others fits colloquial racism. This is not to say that every human deserves our respect and can achieve greatness and have a everlasting positive impact on the world.

The point I'm trying to make- don't mix between theological and practical.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #486 on: May 20, 2021, 04:47:32 PM »
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #487 on: May 20, 2021, 04:48:40 PM »
You are saying Judaism is not technically a race so it cant be racist. You might be technically correct. I believe the fact that Jews believe they are better in a certain specific way than others fits colloquial racism. This is not to say that every human deserves our respect and can achieve greatness and have a everlasting positive impact on the world.

The point I'm trying to make- don't mix between theological and practical.

The issue is your understanding of nivchar, not with Judaism's theology

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #488 on: May 20, 2021, 04:50:13 PM »
You are saying Judaism is not technically a race so it cant be racist. You might be technically correct. I believe the fact that Jews believe they are better in a certain specific way than others fits colloquial racism.

I'm saying that there is a reason racism is abhorrent, and to use that term to describe something completely different (and the difference is not just technical it is fundamental) is wrong and offensive

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #489 on: May 20, 2021, 04:50:15 PM »
The issue is your understanding of nivchar, not with Judaism's theology
Theres some Tanya's I won't bring up. What do you suggest nivchar means.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #490 on: May 20, 2021, 04:50:53 PM »
I'm saying that there is a reason racism is abhorrent, and to use that term to describe something completely different (and the difference is not just technical it is fundamental) is wrong and offensive
I think that's fair.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #491 on: May 20, 2021, 04:52:50 PM »
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the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another

Jewish texts include statements about the natures of various nations.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #492 on: May 20, 2021, 04:54:31 PM »
Jewish texts include statements about the nature of specific nations.
Even without getting into that. Why isn't chosen enough?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #493 on: May 20, 2021, 04:56:12 PM »
Why isn't chosen enough?

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The issue is your understanding of nivchar, not with Judaism's theology

2 - It is available to anyone.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #494 on: May 20, 2021, 04:59:32 PM »
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2 - It is available to anyone.
Not sure what the beginning of your post means.

Just because it's available to anyone (also a pretty contentious idea) doesn't mean it views everyone as equal on that level. Potentially equal maybe.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #495 on: May 20, 2021, 05:21:13 PM »
Even without getting into that. Why isn't chosen enough?

"Being chosen" (in the plainest sense of the word) is not an internal characteristic.
(If I choose between several apples, one is now "chosen," but its nature is unchanged.)
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #496 on: May 20, 2021, 05:32:32 PM »
"Being chosen" (in the plainest sense of the word) is not an internal characteristic.
(If I choose between several apples, one is now "chosen," but its nature is unchanged.)
By most interpretations I have heard and have been taught, it is most definitely an internal characteristic. I think you will need to go pretty far to find a source that doesn't agree with the concept of neshama- the uniquely Jewish soul.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #497 on: May 20, 2021, 05:33:17 PM »
He is the Troller In Chief
It's official. Definitely a troll
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #498 on: May 20, 2021, 06:13:48 PM »
There are just as many Jews advocating for a Jewish State form sea to sea, throwing the Arabs into the sea.
jews dont want to push the arabs into the sea, just back to arabia

arabs want us in the sea.

even if they claim going back to europe would make them happy, thats equal to wanting us to die. did u ever hear of what happened to the jews of europe?

besides for the fact that the arabs are interested in controlling europe one day as well, and then where do we go?

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #499 on: May 20, 2021, 06:14:03 PM »
Israel’s most prominent Supreme Court justice Aharon Barak agrees with me

https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/3736894
and since everything he ever said was 100% true, u automatically win this argument