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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #560 on: May 27, 2021, 04:34:59 PM »
By the UN Human Rights Council?
Who do you think would tell you about it if they were? It's not newsworthy

 
What's the point to investigate something that is glaringly obvious and admitted by the defendant? The UN condemns Hamas all day long
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #561 on: May 27, 2021, 04:36:19 PM »
No European country voted in favor. Would that have happened if Trump was in office?
I see your point but hope they wouldn't punish Israel because of that idiot.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #562 on: May 27, 2021, 04:36:44 PM »
No European country voted in favor. Would that have happened if Trump was in office?
Do you have any reason to believe not?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #563 on: May 27, 2021, 04:37:54 PM »
Do you have any reason to believe not?
Human nature?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #564 on: May 27, 2021, 04:39:28 PM »
Do you have any reason to believe not?
Prior votes in similar occasions? The French UN resolution initiative that would've one-sidedly condemned Israel?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #566 on: May 27, 2021, 04:46:08 PM »
Back in the day the term או"ם שמום was coined (might have been Ben Gurion).

Yup. He was a socialist liberal but would be considered a pariah by todays standards. Amongst other things, he openly advocated for mass coerced transfers (and ordered a few small ones).

It's ironic that other than the disputed theological basis, the main argument that Hamas is acting unfairly is that they refuse to accept the UN decisions granting a Jewish state, while many Jews discredit  the same institution.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #567 on: May 27, 2021, 04:49:29 PM »
the main argument that Hamas is acting unfairly is that they refuse to accept the UN decisions granting a Jewish state
how so?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #568 on: May 27, 2021, 04:53:29 PM »
how so?
Hamas agenda openly calls for a single state in contrary to the UN partition plan that created the separate Jewish state. That is the main difference between them and the PA and the benefit to Israel in boycotting any reasonable peace initiative.
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #569 on: May 27, 2021, 04:56:27 PM »
Hamas agenda openly calls for a single state in contrary to the UN partition plan that created the separate Jewish state.

What does that have to do with what the main argument about them is?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #570 on: May 27, 2021, 04:59:15 PM »
EVERYONE knows that if there was a true democratic process Hamas would take over.

Which is why saying "Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people" (like Psaki did) is wrong. It is an attempt to absolve the average Palestinian from responsibility for the actions of Hamas who the majority of them elected (or would have if they had the chance).

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #571 on: May 27, 2021, 05:02:55 PM »
Which is why saying "Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people" (like Psaki did) is wrong. It is an attempt to absolve the average Palestinian from responsibility for the actions of Hamas who the majority of them elected (or would have if they had the chance).
Do the people view Hamas as I do unions? A necessary evil?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #572 on: May 27, 2021, 05:05:53 PM »
What does that have to do with what the main argument about them is?

To the extent the UN and international community have no say, and putting the theological arguments aside, the Palestinians can reasonably see the Jewish state as illegitimate and seek to destroy it. Their tactical use of violence to that end is not materially different than Israel did prior to 1948 and is common in war (allies carpet bombed axis civilian towns). I think international law explicitly allows an occupied party to target civilians, but anyways we would negating International laws.

In order to render Hamas strategy as unfair you have to either believe a religious right to Jewish presence (if not sovereignty), or expect them to accept the authority of the UN.

Which is why saying "Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people" (like Psaki did) is wrong. It is an attempt to absolve the average Palestinian from responsibility for the actions of Hamas who the majority of them elected (or would have if they had the chance).
So everybody who voted for Trump is complicit in everything he does and can't say he was just the lesser of two evils?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #573 on: May 27, 2021, 05:08:23 PM »
The UN is a garbage organization.

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #574 on: May 27, 2021, 05:09:47 PM »
The UN is a garbage organization.
So Israel is no more a state than Palestine is
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #575 on: May 27, 2021, 05:15:24 PM »
Do the people view Hamas as I do unions? A necessary evil?

Perhaps. Does supporting a terror organization because you think it's necessary absolve you of responsibility for the terror?

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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #576 on: May 27, 2021, 05:17:12 PM »
Perhaps. Does supporting a terror organization because you think it's necessary absolve you of responsibility for the terror?
So everybody who voted for Trump is complicit in everything he does and can't say he was just the lesser of two evils?
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Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« Reply #577 on: May 27, 2021, 06:30:32 PM »
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