Geopolitics and Wars of Israel

[ExGingi]

Here's a summary of why the shooter had to make sure that the scum would never be able to get up again:

https://twitter.com/8ikTeMbuqDVq0RV/status/1506639810542424071

The minister or Domestic Security talking at the funeral of one of the victim saying: "we will not rest until the murderer will be tried and sent to prison".

[CountValentine]

I agree that the video is clear, what I am trying to point out is that this isn't a crime scene, this is part of an ongoing war, where the shooter acted to protect many.

Was the person shot also acting in a war zone?

[m65]

Was the person shot also acting in a war zone?

he created the war zone, and must be treated as such

as soon as he is dead the war zone doesnt exist anymore

its pretty simple and clear how to end a war zone in 2 seconds

if only the war zone in europe would be that simple to end

[CountValentine]

he created the war zone, and must be treated as such

as soon as he is dead the war zone doesnt exist anymore

its pretty simple and clear how to end a war zone in 2 seconds

if only the war zone in europe would be that simple to end

It is either a war zone or it isn't. You don't get to flip flop.

[ExGingi]

Was the person shot aggressor also acting in a war zone?

Yes. And he's one of the aggressors. As opposed to those that shot him who are part of the defense forces.

FWIW, I saw something today that said that the guy in the blue shirt shot the aggressor. If he shot and killed him in what was obviously self-defense, does the number of shots fires by the guy in the red sweater matter? He's shooting a dead (or dying) body.

[CountValentine]

FWIW, I saw something today that said that the guy in the blue shirt shot the aggressor. If he shot and killed him in what was obviously self-defense, does the number of shots fires by the guy in the red sweater matter? He's shooting a dead (or dying) body.

That is what it looked like to me.
The second guy should be charged with murder/attempted murder. I am not sure what the debate is. This is as black and white as it gets.

I understand what the emotional response is. Maybe in Israel you are allowed to be judge, jury and executioner but not here in the US without consequences.

If you don't want the cold hard truth then don't ping me next time. 

[Ver hut gazugt]

I understand what the emotional response is. Maybe in Israel you are allowed to be judge, jury and executioner but not here in the US without consequences.

You still did not provide proof of this contention.
He is within 2 feet of stabing someone. To as him to start making judgments to shoot two or three shots is unreasonably. It may look simple from a video but that’s not how it unfolds in real life, lots and lots of fear and emotion are involved.

[yitzgar]

You still did not provide proof of this contention.
He is within 2 feet of stabing someone. To as him to start making judgments to shoot two or three shots is unreasonably. It may look simple from a video but that’s not how it unfolds in real life, lots and lots of fear and emotion are involved.

So the jury can decide that. The third shot he should probably be charged for.

[CountValentine]

So the jury can decide that.

That is the only point I am making.

[CountValentine]

You still did not provide proof of this contention.
He is within 2 feet of stabing someone. To as him to start making judgments to shoot two or three shots is unreasonably. It may look simple from a video but that’s not how it unfolds in real life, lots and lots of fear and emotion are involved.

The guy in the red was no where need him and shot him in the back while he was laying on the ground.
As far as real life I have been through this situation so I know about fear and adrenaline.

[ExGingi]

If you don't want the cold hard truth then don't ping me next time. 

You get pinged because you contribute a lot to the conversation. We need the unemotional outsider view to make the intellectual discussion better.

So the jury can decide that. The third shot he should probably be charged for.

Except that there's no such thing as a jury trial in Israel. (and unfortunately, as I mentioned above, shots 2 & 3 are meant for the judge that gave this scum a lenient sentence in the past accepting his "remorse" for actions he carried over a lengthy period with lots of planning).

The guy in the red was no where need him and shot him in the back while he was laying on the ground.
As far as real life I have been through this situation so I know about fear and adrenaline.

I explained above where the motivation for the extra shots comes from. It might be legally and morally wrong, but boy are we happy he made sure the guy won't be able to ever get up.

PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT THE SITUATION YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH! It might help us all understand things better.

[yos9694]

I explained above where the motivation for the extra shots comes from. It might be legally and morally wrong, but boy are we happy he made sure the guy won't be able to ever get up.

PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT THE SITUATION YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH! It might help us all understand things better.

CV is the guy in the horror movies who decides to hit the villain with a blunt object instead of shooting, so that the killer can rise up one last time...

[CountValentine]

I explained above where the motivation for the extra shots comes from. It might be legally and morally wrong, but boy are we happy he made sure the guy won't be able to ever get up.

All I did was give you a legal perspective. I think we are on the same page for that.

[CountValentine]

CV is the guy in the horror movies who decides to hit the villain with a blunt object instead of shooting, so that the killer can rise up one last time...

Devel
Google probably won't help. 

[ExGingi]

All I did was give you a legal perspective. I think we are on the same page for that.

So you're on the same page for shots 2 and 3 meant for the judge who let that scum walk free. Good!

[CountValentine]

So you're on the same page for shots 2 and 3 meant for the judge who let that scum walk free. Good!

Not going there. On the same page about being legal.
Did you see my Richard Speck comment.

[ExGingi]

Did you see my Richard Speck comment.

No.

[CountValentine]

No.

ETA: Even if this guy was Richard Speck I would say the same thing.
Here comes Google. 

[ExGingi]

Did you see my Richard Speck comment.

As per Wikipedia

Convicted of all eight murders on April 15, 1967, Speck was sentenced to death. His sentence was later commuted to eight consecutive terms of life imprisonment in 1972.

Speck died of a heart attack while incarcerated at Stateville Correctional Center in December 1991 at the age of 49.

Death sentence doesn't exist in Israel.

Terrorists are often freed in various "exchange" deals.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

I also didn't read the entire page about Speck who seemingly went on a single spree, not necessarily ideologically motivated. The current case is very different.

I know that taking the law (prosecutor, judge, and executioner) into one's hands is wrong, and leads to anarchy, but one needs to understand the circumstances. And in this case where the initial shot is 100% justified (and justified in trying to kill, not just to disable or stop), there's that strong motivation to make sure that in the slight chance that the first shot didn't do what it was supposed to do, there's verification that the desired effect will be reached.

[gozalim]

interesting.
had the judge not been such a nut, and given people the sense of anarchy, the terrorist would not be dead.
when people feel unprotected, sometimes the criminals lose out