Geopolitics and Wars of Israel

[PlatinumGuy]

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u have no qualms about nuking and killing tens of thousands of innocent ppl, but u think that someone whose life and that of his family and neighbors was in danger, and killed 1 measly fellow, who most probably was among those endangering his life should be investigated?

I didn’t say he should be investigated for a moral transgression, but for a (possibly) criminal action, which can also lead to practical ramifications.

That being said, if the murder doesn’t accomplish anything (tensions in Lod are only higher tonight), it is also immoral. Nuking Gaza would have major benefits, the problem is the consequences outweigh them.

[Yehuda57]

Celebrating is a very different story, especially in public.

I can’t keep up with the pace of arguments so I don’t look at everything. Happy to address specific points when I can if anybody cares.

So killing a million kids is ok, and you wouldn't even "think twice" about it, but if a bunch of rowdy people in a festive mood at the kosel to celebrate Yom Yerushalayim sing after fireworks intended to harm them caused a fire on the other side of the wall, THAT is a problem?

I squirmed earlier when someone called you a pos. But you seriously have no qualms about killing millions of people, as long as the optics are good? And you blame that demented view on morality and halacha on top of that? Like @Ergel said, the only possible reasoning is that you are a troll. But even the greatest troll (Trump?) couldn't keep this up as long as you have.

[gozalim]

So killing a million kids is ok, and you wouldn't even "think twice" about it, but if a bunch of rowdy people in a festive mood at the kosel to celebrate Yom Yerushalayim sing after fireworks intended to harm them caused a fire on the other side of the wall, THAT is a problem?

I squirmed earlier when someone called you a pos. But you seriously have no qualms about killing millions of people, as long as the optics are good? And you blame that demented view on morality and halacha on top of that? Like @Ergel said, the only possible reasoning is that you are a troll. But even the greatest troll (Trump?) couldn't keep this up as long as you have.

I believe @PlatinumGuy
he takes his rebbeim's position to their logical conclusions
whether that constitutes reductio ad absurdum is in the eyes of the beholder

[PlatinumGuy]

So killing a million kids is ok, and you wouldn't even "think twice" about it, but if a bunch of rowdy people in a festive mood at the kosel to celebrate Yom Yerushalayim sing after fireworks intended to harm them caused a fire on the other side of the wall, THAT is a problem?

I squirmed earlier when someone called you a pos. But you seriously have no qualms about killing millions of people, as long as the optics are good? And you blame that demented view on morality and halacha on top of that? Like @Ergel said, the only possible reasoning is that you are a troll. But even the greatest troll (Trump?) couldn't keep this up as long as you have.

Now that it’s established that I’m a troll, are you advocating for Israeli restraint in Gaza to spare the ‘Human Shields’?

[PlatinumGuy]

I believe @PlatinumGuy
he takes his rebbeim's position to their logical conclusions
whether that constitutes reductio ad absurdum is in the eyes of the beholder

Thank you.

[Ergel]

Now that it’s established that I’m a troll, are you advocating for Israeli restraint in Gaza to spare the ‘Human Shields’?

Yes

[PlatinumGuy]

Yes

So you’re happy Blinken called on Israel to show that restraint?

[Ergel]

So you’re happy Blinken called on Israel to show that restraint?

No, he should shut his mouth

[PlatinumGuy]

No, he should shut his mouth

But you agree with the substance of his statement that Israel should restrain its response.

[CountValentine]

oh man

@CountValentine

What am I looking at? @m65

[Yehuda57]

Now that it’s established that I’m a troll, are you advocating for Israeli restraint in Gaza to spare the ‘Human Shields’?

There are *millions* of worlds in between nuking Gaza and avoiding all conflict for fear of killing a single innocent.

[Ergel]

But you agree with the substance of his statement that Israel should restrain its response.

Israel should avoid all unnecessary collateral damage in it's response

[PlatinumGuy]

There are *millions* of worlds in between nuking Gaza and avoiding all conflict for fear of killing a single innocent.

Agreed. Please tell me where you draw the line, how you reach that conclusion, and why can’t you accept people on the Left who draw the line in a different place than you do?

You tend to make up your morals according to what you feel like at any given moment. You have an anchor them in some kind of basis.

[PlatinumGuy]

Israel should avoid all unnecessary collateral damage in it's response

But how you define ‘unnecessary’?

There were a few people killed today because Israel didn’t nuke Gaza. Why is protecting those lives unnecessary in your book, but the lives it would cost to enter Gaza and attack Hamas without collateral damage, are necessary to you?

In the end, the difference is subjective. If you accept that Israel is right to kill 50 Palestinians now, why not 50k?

[Ergel]

But how you define ‘unnecessary’?

There were a few people killed today because Israel didn’t nuke Gaza. Why is protecting those lives unnecessary in your book, but the lives it would cost to enter Gaza and attack Hamas without collateral damage, are necessary to you?

In the end, the difference is subjective. If you accept that Israel is right to kill 50 Palestinians now, why not 50k?

That's a thought provoking question. I'm not sure the answer right now.
I know the the line is before genocide and I don't think a reasonable person can disagree. I guess I don't know how to formulate it better than that

[Happyguy]

But how you define ‘unnecessary’?

There were a few people killed today because Israel didn’t nuke Gaza. Why is protecting those lives unnecessary in your book, but the lives it would cost to enter Gaza and attack Hamas without collateral damage, are necessary to you?

In the end, the difference is subjective. If you accept that Israel is right to kill 50 Palestinians now, why not 50k?

Nuking Gaza is nuking Israel.

[Ergel]

Nuking Gaza is nuking Israel.

Why? No arab country has nukes

[gozalim]

Nuking Gaza is nuking Israel.

replace nuke with carpet bomb

Why? No arab country has nukes

fallout

[Ergel]

replace nuke with carpet bombfallout

Oh, he obviously didn't literally mean use a nuclear bomb

[yelped]

But you agree with the substance of his statement that Israel should restrain its response.

I agree with the sentiment, but you have to have a lot of gall to tell that to a country that is dealing with thousands of rockets being fired at cities all over the country.

You know that Israel is doing it's best and is facing a propaganda war as well. Just shut up, because if you try to be "even-handed" when it is not morally equal at all, you are just supporting those seeking Israel's destruction by giving them cover.