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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1000 on: August 27, 2022, 09:38:38 PM »
It is actually a good thing to force this country to wake up.
Wake up about what?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1002 on: September 07, 2022, 11:14:08 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1004 on: September 07, 2022, 11:35:58 PM »
Be prepared for winter in NYC.
Is that after 11/8?  :)
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1005 on: September 08, 2022, 12:18:44 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1006 on: September 08, 2022, 11:07:28 PM »
NorthJersey.com: NJ natural gas bills soar after approved hikes for PSEG, NJNG.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2022/09/08/nj-natural-gas-bills-approved-hikes-pseg-njng/66934128007/
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1007 on: September 14, 2022, 06:12:46 PM »
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1008 on: September 14, 2022, 09:46:03 PM »
Can't say I had any of this in mind when I was making the decisions, but I'm sure glad I put in split units (no more gas heat) and solar over the last several years.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1009 on: September 14, 2022, 10:00:55 PM »
Can't say I had any of this in mind when I was making the decisions, but I'm sure glad I put in split units (no more gas heat) and solar over the last several years.

Solar offsets all of your usage?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1010 on: September 14, 2022, 10:03:27 PM »
Can't say I had any of this in mind when I was making the decisions, but I'm sure glad I put in split units (no more gas heat) and solar over the last several years.
What type of heat do you use?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1011 on: September 14, 2022, 10:05:57 PM »
What type of heat do you use?
Splits are typically heat pumps.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1012 on: September 14, 2022, 10:28:06 PM »
Can't say I had any of this in mind when I was making the decisions, but I'm sure glad I put in split units (no more gas heat) and solar over the last several years.
This is something most people don't appreciate about solar. Figuring out how many years it takes to break even is nice, but now you don't need to worry about market changes. It becomes a fixed monthly payment that doesn't change regardless of market fluctuations and inflation.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1013 on: September 14, 2022, 10:30:30 PM »
Can't say I had any of this in mind when I was making the decisions, but I'm sure glad I put in split units (no more gas heat) and solar over the last several years.
Did you get rid of your gas heat, or just turn it off? When the temp gets low enough heat pumps are inefficient, so you may want to consider turning your furnace back on then.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1014 on: September 14, 2022, 10:31:14 PM »
Splits are typically heat pumps.
It will work on those cold days in NY?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1015 on: September 14, 2022, 10:32:32 PM »
It will work on those cold days in NY?
The newer systems with hyper heat are designed to work up to -13° IIRC, and some of them also have resistive heat coils as a backup.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1016 on: September 14, 2022, 10:34:05 PM »
Solar offsets all of your usage?
Not all, but more than enough to take the sting out of any crazy gas and/or electric rate hikes this winter. I generate ~6mWh a year and use an additional ~2mWh from the grid. I got solar before switching from gas heat/wall AC's to mini splits, which added to my excess usage, but I wouldn't have been able to add much more to my size roof without a canopy system and much higher cost.

What type of heat do you use?
High heat (rated down to -13F I believe) mini splits from Daikin. Our gas fed steam boiler was damaged in a fire and we decided to rip everything out and go with mini splits. This will be our third winter with them and we love them - never had an issue of them not handling the cold. It's a small house, so we tend to heat only the spaces we're using while we're using them. Massive comfort upgrade from the temperature swings of a 3 floor 1 zone system and massive sound upgrade from noisy wall AC's.

This is something most people don't appreciate about solar. Figuring out how many years it takes to break even is nice, but now you don't need to worry about market changes. It becomes a fixed monthly payment that doesn't change regardless of market fluctuations and inflation.
+1, and now technically my break-even is earlier because the energy generated is more valuable than initially assumed in the calculations.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1017 on: September 14, 2022, 10:40:18 PM »
This is something most people don't appreciate about solar. Figuring out how many years it takes to break even is nice, but now you don't need to worry about market changes. It becomes a fixed monthly payment that doesn't change regardless of market fluctuations and inflation.

Cost structure for the system is very important. Purchasing with or without financing is almost always the way to go. Stay far away from PPAs.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1018 on: September 14, 2022, 10:53:33 PM »
High heat (rated down to -13F I believe) mini splits from Daikin. Our gas fed steam boiler was damaged in a fire and we decided to rip everything out and go with mini splits. This will be our third winter with them and we love them - never had an issue of them not handling the cold. It's a small house, so we tend to heat only the spaces we're using while we're using them. Massive comfort upgrade from the temperature swings of a 3 floor 1 zone system and massive sound upgrade from noisy wall AC's.
Seems they have made bid advances and don't need ground units anymore for below freezing. Would you know the btu rating at 0 degrees?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #1019 on: September 14, 2022, 11:08:25 PM »
Cost structure for the system is very important. Purchasing with or without financing is almost always the way to go. Stay far away from PPAs.
I ended up with a really good loan via Sungage. Paid nothing upfront at all. The money I got back from federal/state taxes was floated at 0% (ie I passed it back to the lender when my tax refund came through), and the rest was put into a 5yr loan at 1.99%, with payments only starting once the system was online. NYC property tax credit put me well into the green for the first 4 years. Year 5 will be slightly in the red and then everything from then on is pure profit.
Seems they have made bid advances and don't need ground units anymore for below freezing. Would you know the btu rating at 0 degrees?
I think I've found more detail in the past, but right now all I can find is that they claim 100% capacity up to 5F, which is generally fine for NYC. I assume it's lower from -13 to 5, but I couldn't find the hard numbers just now.