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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #260 on: March 06, 2022, 11:45:13 PM »
I am asking what the goal posts are? You have someone base it on net. Then he says some imports you don't count or matter. So you try and call me out when his posts never stopped moving. I expect it though.
You are using bullposts when it is convenient for you and then moving them in the same posts. He is going entirely by policies.

Keystone would not be independence, but any dependence we may have is much better off being from an ally than from an adversary. Do you actually disagree with that?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #261 on: March 06, 2022, 11:46:33 PM »


So last year (2021) we were a net exporter under Biden?


Yes. He gets credit for keeping the status quo for now.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #262 on: March 06, 2022, 11:49:39 PM »
https://news.yahoo.com/nj-gas-prices-hit-record-160301217.html

Thanks Chris Christie. The rest of the country is still below their 2008 levels
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #263 on: March 06, 2022, 11:52:02 PM »
You are using bullposts when it is convenient for you and then moving them in the same posts. He is going entirely by policies.

Keystone would not be independence, but any dependence we may have is much better off being from an ally than from an adversary. Do you actually disagree with that?
Watch carefully how I answer a question. If you can't answer the same way it just shows how your post are pure BS!
YES, being dependent on a current ally is better than being dependent on a current enemy. Being dependent on either is still being dependent. Excluding either from the calculation is moving the goalpost.

He is moving the goalpost on pure politics. The same way both of you would not answer the question because it doesn't support your moving goalposts!!!

Now her is a simple question. What goalposts are you all using for energy independence?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #264 on: March 06, 2022, 11:54:57 PM »

Yes. He gets credit for keeping the status quo for now.
See how easy that was? So we have been energy dependent for his first year and the way things are going I expect the same for the second year.

Now the last admin gets credit for keeping the downward trend from the BO admin. Not as good as BO but the trend did go down.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #265 on: March 07, 2022, 12:09:02 AM »
I consider independence to be not needing foriegn oil. We are not there yet. Why not? If we are net exporters then why do we need to import? Why do we import if we have enough domestically?

The answer is pipeline capacity and refinery capacity for different types of crude.

https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2018/06/14/why-the-us-must-import-and-export-oil

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-does-the-u-s-still-buy-russian-oil-11646151935

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/ann-alexander/ca-refineries-are-driving-our-addiction-oil-imports


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/04/complicated-question-ending-imports-russian-oil/


Pipelines are mostly federal jurisdiction and refineries mostly state. Most fracking is state most drilling is federal.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #266 on: March 07, 2022, 12:14:23 AM »
I consider independence to be not needing foriegn oil.
I have no problem with that. I think you would agree "energy independent" doesn't mean just oil?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #268 on: March 07, 2022, 07:14:59 AM »

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #269 on: March 07, 2022, 07:59:41 AM »
I have no problem with that. I think you would agree "energy independent" doesn't mean just oil?
Correct.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #271 on: March 07, 2022, 08:35:34 AM »
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1500485710985379840
And somehow that just happened to have occurred in 2020 Q2. Who could have predicted that cliff?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #272 on: March 07, 2022, 08:40:26 AM »
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1500485710985379840
It's a global supply market, it doesn't really matter if imports come from SA or Russia. What matters is the total volume of foreign imports.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #273 on: March 07, 2022, 08:42:02 AM »
It's a global supply market, it doesn't really matter if imports come from SA or Russia. What matters is the total volume of foreign imports.
The guy wasn't trying to make an honest argument anyhow. He didn't even try to make look as if he was.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #274 on: March 07, 2022, 12:09:02 PM »
It's a global supply market, it doesn't really matter if imports come from SA or Russia. What matters is the total volume of foreign imports.
Goalposts just moved again. I thought it mattered where it came from like Canada?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #275 on: March 07, 2022, 12:10:00 PM »
The guy wasn't trying to make an honest argument anyhow. He didn't even try to make look as if he was.
Did he get the facts wrong?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #276 on: March 07, 2022, 12:19:09 PM »
Did he get the facts wrong?
I didn't see any facts there at all. That was only opinion.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #277 on: March 07, 2022, 12:34:45 PM »
I didn't see any facts there at all. That was only opinion.
Let me ask it another way then.
True or false - Trump increased Russian oil imports by 49%...
True or false - ...while American oil production had its biggest drop in history.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #278 on: March 07, 2022, 12:36:10 PM »

True or false - Trump increased Russian oil imports by 49%...
Up for discussion. What did he do to increase it?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #279 on: March 07, 2022, 12:43:35 PM »
Up for discussion. What did he do to increase it?
Lets try a different way. Did imports go up 49% from Russia under last admin. I didn't check into it.
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