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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #500 on: March 10, 2022, 10:38:04 PM »
The objective lie here is that I called the two tweets lies. I never wrote that.
Have no idea what second tweet you are talking about. The tweet I reposted you said:

Did he get the facts wrong?
Incomplete facts are just as much of a lie
So you weren't calling the tweet a lie?

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #501 on: March 10, 2022, 11:28:08 PM »
Have no idea what second tweet you are talking about. The tweet I reposted you said:
So you weren't calling the tweet a lie?
You are right about that I misspoke when I used the word lie  and apologize.



The issue is the dishonesty of comparing obviously different things and saying that not comparing them mean the memory of a gnat. That is no attempt at an honest discussion. Dating that Trump brought
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #502 on: March 10, 2022, 11:42:12 PM »
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1500485710985379840
Saying it happened may be cherry picked data. Saying Trump did it is dishonest.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #503 on: March 11, 2022, 12:35:57 AM »
Source: Senate Republicans.

Do you seriously consider yourself honest when claiming the Keystone pipeline affected the price of gas?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #504 on: March 11, 2022, 12:56:44 AM »
Do you seriously consider yourself honest when claiming the Keystone pipeline affected the price of gas?
of course, is your head in the sand?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #505 on: March 11, 2022, 08:28:41 AM »
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #506 on: March 11, 2022, 08:31:15 AM »
Do you seriously consider yourself honest when claiming the Keystone pipeline affected the price of gas?
I made no such claim.

Considering that it would still take time it cannot possibly have an immediate direct impact. On the other hand, it can have an indirect impact. By making its cancelation a day one priority the administration sent a very clear message to producers, investors, and financiers that investing in fossil fuel is very risky. They seem to have heard that message. This is not speculation. They have said so themselves.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #508 on: March 11, 2022, 08:59:07 AM »
Euronews: US reluctant to export natural gas to Europe amid 'climate concerns'.
https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/03/11/us-reluctant-to-export-natural-gas-to-europe-amid-climate-concerns
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #509 on: March 11, 2022, 09:07:31 AM »
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Some interesting points about this chart are that it is ENTIRELY from before the Ukraine crisis and how the rise began right after Biden won the election. I can speculate about the timing and it does give some credence to there being a relation to Biden's rhetoric.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #510 on: March 11, 2022, 09:28:13 AM »
Do I see another stimulus check in our future?

What be a good move for the party that supports it.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #511 on: March 11, 2022, 09:38:49 AM »
Some interesting points about this chart are that it is ENTIRELY from before the Ukraine crisis and how the rise began right after Biden won the election. I can speculate about the timing and it does give some credence to there being a relation to Biden's rhetoric.
Would it be fair to say demand was picking up at this time because of the economy rebounding? Also production has not kept pace with the rebound?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #512 on: March 11, 2022, 09:41:07 AM »
of course, is your head in the sand?
How much oil were we getting from Keystone XL?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #513 on: March 11, 2022, 09:51:53 AM »
Keystone XL was to deliver oil to the gulf region. In December of 2021 exports from the gulf region for oil/petroleum products hit an all-time high. Is the reason for Keystone XL to make us less dependent on foreign oil (I guess Canada is not a foreign country) or make the big corporations more money?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #514 on: March 11, 2022, 10:05:20 AM »
Let's see if we can have a kumbaya moment?  :)

Gas prices started to go up once the economy started to rebound. They continued to go up under Biden at a higher pace. The war has accelerated that pace.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #515 on: March 11, 2022, 10:08:32 AM »
Let's see if we can have a kumbaya moment?  :)

Gas prices started to go up once the economy started to rebound. They continued to go up under Biden at a higher pace. The war has accelerated that pace.
I agree with this, but Biden’s policy's definitely didn't help the situation
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #516 on: March 11, 2022, 10:08:37 AM »
Would it be fair to say demand was picking up at this time because of the economy rebounding? Also production has not kept pace with the rebound?
No. Demand was actually rising pretty slowly in Nov. so there was nothing specific to that time. Of course nothing is instantaneous and there are plenty of factors that come together for any movement.



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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #517 on: March 11, 2022, 10:13:47 AM »
I agree with this, but Biden’s policy's definitely didn't help the situation
I put in there at a higher pace under Biden to help satisfy those who want to blame Biden.  :)
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #518 on: March 11, 2022, 10:18:46 AM »
I put in there at a higher pace under Biden to help satisfy those who want to blame Biden.  :)
I didn't even notice, but that was my thoughts while listening to Bill O'Reilly showing the data
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #519 on: March 11, 2022, 10:21:41 AM »
No. Demand was actually rising pretty slowly in Nov. so there was nothing specific to that time. Of course nothing is instantaneous and there are plenty of factors that come together for any movement.
The chart shows consumption took off in Q2 of 2020. That is the same time gas prices started to rise.
Am I reading the chart wrong?
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