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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #700 on: March 28, 2022, 09:37:32 AM »
of course, but you haven't made an argument for why it needs to more than it already is.
Hello!!! When I drive cross country the infrastructure is not in place. You better map out your route, plan where to stay and other things based on if they have charging stations. Even then it might not work out.

Also remember all these numbers are for mostly Level 1 and 2 stations. That is not going to cut it.

The only argument you have made is your limited observation that they are everywhere. How about some numbers to back it up? 
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #701 on: March 28, 2022, 09:41:09 AM »
how many 48 stall chargers do you need in NE or even IL right now? A big part of the reason CA has so many more is because they have more stalls at a single location.
There are numbers for actual units that I used but also numbers for actual places. Feel free to use your own.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #702 on: March 28, 2022, 10:35:22 AM »
Hello!!! When I drive cross country the infrastructure is not in place. You better map out your route, plan where to stay and other things based on if they have charging stations. Even then it might not work out.

Also remember all these numbers are for mostly Level 1 and 2 stations. That is not going to cut it.

The only argument you have made is your limited observation that they are everywhere. How about some numbers to back it up?

I’m in the middle of Virginia, not California. Super chargers were super easy to find along the way.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #703 on: March 28, 2022, 10:45:43 AM »
I’m in the middle of Virginia, not California. Super chargers were super easy to find along the way.
Good for you but the poor guy in Salem NE can't find one along with 10's of thousand other places in the US.
People with ICE cars just drive. EV you need to plan ahead. We need to get to the point where we just drive. The government needs to put that infrastructure in place.

I am all for EV's. I wish they were 100% of sales. We will only get there with massive help from the government.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #704 on: March 28, 2022, 11:12:31 AM »
Good for you but the poor guy in Salem NE can't find one along with 10's of thousand other places in the US.
People with ICE cars just drive. EV you need to plan ahead. We need to get to the point where we just drive. The government needs to put that infrastructure in place.

I am all for EV's. I wish they were 100% of sales. We will only get there with massive help from the government.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of where DC fast chargers are needed. There is no need for a fast charger in the middle of rural NE, anyone can get a home charger for a few hundred dollars or just use a 120 outlet and never need to "go fill up". There are plenty of fast chargers along the highways in NE.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #705 on: March 28, 2022, 11:14:36 AM »
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of where DC fast chargers are needed.
No we just disagree where they are needed. To get were we need to be people need to just drive and not plan no matter where they are. I don't want to have to look for a hotel that has an EV charger.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #706 on: March 28, 2022, 11:19:59 AM »
No we just disagree where they are needed. To get were we need to be people need to just drive and not plan no matter where they are. I don't want to have to look for a hotel that has an EV charger.
What percentage of vehicles do you think this applies to?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #707 on: March 28, 2022, 11:22:18 AM »
No we just disagree where they are needed. To get were we need to be people need to just drive and not plan no matter where they are. I don't want to have to look for a hotel that has an EV charger.
You can stop at a supercharger on the highway.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #708 on: March 28, 2022, 11:26:16 AM »
What percentage of vehicles do you think this applies to?
With less than 3% of the vechicles on the road being EV's it does not matter and I have no idea. What is important is the mind set that prevents people from buying EV's. Price right now price is a main concern and IMHO charging is right there also.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #709 on: March 28, 2022, 11:30:48 AM »
You can stop at a supercharger on the highway.
That is true but not the same as just drive with ICE cars.
When I stay at a hotel I want it to have a charger. The chances are not very good for that.
I am giving real life examples for me.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #710 on: March 28, 2022, 11:31:11 AM »
With less than 3% of the vechicles on the road being EV's it does matter and I have no idea. What is important is the mind set that prevents people from buying EV's. Price right now price is a main concern and IMHO charging is right there also.
What percentage of vehicles ever drive into Nebraska?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #711 on: March 28, 2022, 11:31:43 AM »
That is true but not the same as just drive with ICE cars.
When I stay at a hotel I want it to have a charger. The chances are not very good for that.
I am giving real life examples for me.
I also want my hotel to have a gas pump.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #712 on: March 28, 2022, 11:34:47 AM »
What percentage of vehicles ever drive into Nebraska?
I have no idea. I also don't know how many in NE like ketchup on there eggs.  :)
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #713 on: March 28, 2022, 11:38:18 AM »
I also want my hotel to have a gas pump.
I have no problem driving across the street to fill up. I have a big problem driving across the street, leaving my car there, walking back to the hotel and walking back to the station.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #714 on: March 28, 2022, 11:38:29 AM »
With less than 3% of the vechicles on the road being EV's it does not matter and I have no idea. What is important is the mind set that prevents people from buying EV's. Price right now price is a main concern and IMHO charging is right there also.
Mindsets are changing and they're changing very quickly. I don't see an issue with the mindset of rural NE residents changing a little later than CA or NJ residents. Rural NE won't affect the trajectory until the majority of new cars in CA, NJ, TX, FL, and many other urban states are EV. We have about 5 years for them to start changing their mindset before it has any effect on EV adoption rate. I think their mindset will start changing a lot sooner, but the corn farmers may want to keep ICE cars so they can sell ethanol.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #715 on: March 28, 2022, 11:38:48 AM »
I have no idea. I also don't know how many in NE like ketchup on there eggs.  :)
If you want to know how much of a barrier the need to go to a refueling station to get a charge while drive through Nebraska is you need to know that statistic . The availability in more densly populated areas will cover the vast majority of vehicles.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #716 on: March 28, 2022, 11:41:09 AM »
Mindsets are changing and they're changing very quickly. I don't see an issue with the mindset of rural NE residents changing a little later than CA or NJ residents. Rural NE won't affect the trajectory until the majority of new cars in CA, NJ, TX, FL, and many other urban states are EV. We have about 5 years for them to start changing their mindset before it has any effect on EV adoption rate. I think their mindset will start changing a lot sooner, but the corn farmers may want to keep ICE cars so they can sell ethanol.
"The most common reasons drivers avoid EVs include fear the battery will run out of charge before reaching their destination, also known as “range anxiety,” fear of too few charging stations, long charge times, and initial higher upfront vehicle costs."
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #717 on: March 28, 2022, 11:51:38 AM »
"The most common reasons drivers avoid EVs include fear the battery will run out of charge before reaching their destination, also known as “range anxiety,” fear of too few charging stations, long charge times, and initial higher upfront vehicle costs."
Mindsets are changing and they're changing very quickly. I don't see an issue with the mindset of rural NE residents changing a little later than CA or NJ residents.
You keep coming up with theories about why people won't buy EVs, but the fact is there is no demand issue. The reason you don't see more EVs is due to supply constraints. Tesla's wait time for their cheapest models is around a year. When you start seeing Tesla's sitting on the dealer lots waiting for customers we can discuss how we'll get from 80% adoption up to 100%.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #718 on: March 28, 2022, 11:57:11 AM »
You keep coming up with theories about why people won't buy EVs, but the fact is there is no demand issue. .
No those are results from surveys/polls. Do a simple google search. You have the theories and I have the surveys/facts to back it up.
Just because Tesla has a shortage is meaningless in the big picture.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #719 on: March 28, 2022, 12:43:59 PM »
No those are results from surveys/polls. Do a simple google search. You have the theories and I have the surveys/facts to back it up.
Just because Tesla has a shortage is meaningless in the big picture.
The fact is there is a supply shortage. This is the most important fact here. According to this survey from 6 months ago, 23% of drivers would consider an EV for their next vehicle and price was the number 1 reason for hesitation. It will take a few years before we get to 23% adoption rate, and mindsets will change; especially as prices come down. In the next few years, we will see lower-priced Chinese EVs take over a huge segment of the car market.
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