Biden’s Gas Crisis

[CountValentine]

That people care at all about hotels in Nebraska is at best speculation on your part.

Here you go again with your non-sense. It is not about single hotel in NE. It is about every hotel in the country. Look at the stats I posted or search for your own then get back to me.

[avromie7]

More like government foots the bill or make the subsidies extremely high.
30k subsidy on a 200k investment you won't make back for 20 years will not cut it.

Gas has never been a moneymaker for gas stations, it's an attraction to their store. EV chargers with a longer "fueling" time will be even more of a reason to install them even if they never recoup the investment. We're still in the chicken and egg stage, so you're not going to see DC fast chargers opening up all over in a week, but it's happening and will continue happening organically as EV adoption increases and gas consumption decreases. Every rest area on the highway will have DCFCs and the gas stations off the highway will start closing down.

[aygart]

Here you go again with your non-sense. It is not about single hotel in NE. It is about every hotel in the country. Look at the stats I posted or search for your own then get back to me.

Just because people say that it is about charging availability doesn't mean it has anything to do with hotels on cross country trips. Sorry you don't get to take that line of the survey and say it means anything you ant.
If you don't figure out where and what is needed you will end up spending money on chargers that never get used without creating any or minimal benefit at all.

[avromie7]

Here you go again with your non-sense. It is not about single hotel in NE. It is about every hotel in the country. Look at the stats I posted or search for your own then get back to me.

According to your guesstimate, 30% of hotels have chargers. I think it's higher than that, but I'll use your numbers. Considering that EV adoption is only at 3.4% (even lower if you look at all vehicles on the road), that means hotels are an order of magnitude ahead of drivers.

[CountValentine]

Just because people say that it is about charging availability doesn't mean it has anything to do with hotels on cross country trips. Sorry you don't get to take that line of the survey and say it means anything you ant.

Charging means everything. Hotels, stores, stations and everywhere else. To think it has no effect is burying your head in the stand.

[CountValentine]

According to your guesstimate, 30% of hotels have chargers. I think it's higher than that, but I'll use your numbers. Considering that EV adoption is only at 3.4% (even lower if you look at all vehicles on the road), that means hotels are an order of magnitude ahead of drivers.

That was generous guesstimate. I want to buy a EV. You going to use a selling point that 3 out of 10 hotels have chargers? Are you being serious?

[CountValentine]

Gas has never been a moneymaker for gas stations,

Don't confuse a small margin with not making money.

[aygart]

Charging means everything. Hotels, stores, stations and everywhere else. To think it has no effect is burying your head in the stand.

no we need people to be seeing chargers around where THEY ARE. What makes people nervous is when they feel they have no idea where they will charge their car. If they come home at night and see chargers in their parking lot and go to work and see chargers there and then again at Walmart that is when they will have no more concerns. That will happen without throwing free chargers to sit and gather dust. It will happen when the landlords feel it will bring them tenants and that is happening now at a very fast pace.

[aygart]

That was generous guesstimate. I want to buy a EV. You going to use a selling point that 3 out of 10 hotels have chargers? Are you being serious?

No I will use as a selling point that you will save money by not buying gas. You are concerned about being able to charge? Just go to any rest stop on your way and fill up. You will not have issues.

Okay great! Sold! when can I have it delivered?

 in 2025.

ahhhh.

[CountValentine]

no we need people to be seeing chargers around where THEY ARE.

So ten's of millions people don't see chargers at the hotel they are staying at. What will they think?
Lets take real life situation. One of two Walmart's by me has chargers. They are at the last spots in the parking lot farthest away. What will everyone think if they even notice they are there?

[CountValentine]

No I will use as a selling point that you will save money by not buying gas.

So you are going to use a selling that didn't even make the list why they are not buying?

[aygart]

So ten's of millions people don't see chargers at the hotel they are staying at. What will they think?
Lets take real life situation. One of two Walmart's by me has chargers. They are at the last spots in the parking lot farthest away. What will everyone think if they even notice they are there?

They won't think twice. They will remember the one they see every day at their job.

There are plenty of places to push adding chargers such as urban parking garages. Hotels are low on the list.

[CountValentine]

Bottom line the two biggest reasons for not buying an EV is price and charging. You can spin it any way but those are the facts.
It is easy for the government to take of price with a major rebate.
A national infrastructure is not so easy. Allocating money for 500k units is a major push.

[avromie7]

Bottom line the two biggest reasons for not buying an EV is price and charging. You can spin it any way but those are the facts.
It is easy for the government to take of price with a major rebate.
A national infrastructure is not so easy. Allocating money for 500k units is a major push.

If I understand you correctly if these 2 issues were resolved we'd be at 80% adoption rate this year?

[CountValentine]

If I understand you correctly if these 2 issues were resolved we'd be at 80% adoption rate this year?

Of course not.
Rebates at this time would not help.
There is no reason not to start on a national infrastructure plan now.
You have to invest now to make it happen in the future.

[aygart]

Of course not.
Rebates at this time would not help.
There is no reason not to start on a national infrastructure plan now.
You have to invest now to make it happen in the future.

Can EVs get adopted any faster than they are already based on availability? If not then what are you trying to accomplish? If yes, what is currently preventing it?

[CountValentine]

Can EVs get adopted any faster than they are already based on availability? If not then what are you trying to accomplish? If yes, what is currently preventing it?

We understand availability now is an issue. That is not going to last forever.
You can start now with the proposed 500k charging stations. No need to wait. Once we get back to normal we get remove the charging issue and then give big rebates and remove the price issue.

[moko]

We understand availability now is an issue. That is not going to last forever.
You can start now with the proposed 500k charging stations. No need to wait. Once we get back to normal we get remove the charging issue and then give big rebates and remove the price issue.

sounds like a plan

[avromie7]

We understand availability now is an issue. That is not going to last forever.
You can start now with the proposed 500k charging stations. No need to wait. Once we get back to normal we get remove the charging issue and then give big rebates and remove the price issue.

Who proposed 500k charging stations and where? Are we going to just put them anywhere some who makes money selling them is willing to dump them? Or are we going to make sure they're actually useful?

[moko]

Who proposed 500k charging stations and where? Are we going to just put them anywhere some who makes money selling them is willing to dump them? Or are we going to make sure they're actually useful?

the million dollar question for every govt subsidy. Why pick on this one specifically