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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #820 on: March 29, 2022, 04:16:49 PM »
While I'm sure it affects some potential buyers, it is irrelevant to the overwhelming majority who can charge at home and get to anywhere they can imagine driving in the next 5 years without getting stuck in a dead spot.

As long as you have to plan where you are going to charge before leaving on a trip, a large percentage of people will be hesitant.

In other words, it's not enough to have just enough chargers. If you want to get anyone other than "early adopter" types you have to either make that it requires no more thought than I put into filling up on gas, or make it so much better/cheaper than a gas car that people are willing to put up with the inconvenience.

Also, you are right that if everything goes right people have where to charge. But what about when things don't work? What if there is a blackout on my block the night before I leave on a road trip? Or if I have to take an unexpected detour? Or if I decide last minute to go to a simcha, but have been driving all day and am on empty? Or if someone blocks my driveway, so I can't park in my garage and charge?


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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #821 on: March 29, 2022, 05:05:16 PM »
As long as you have to plan where you are going to charge before leaving on a trip, a large percentage of people will be hesitant.

In other words, it's not enough to have just enough chargers. If you want to get anyone other than "early adopter" types you have to either make that it requires no more thought than I put into filling up on gas, or make it so much better/cheaper than a gas car that people are willing to put up with the inconvenience.
It takes less planning than getting gas, the GPS directs you straight to the charger. You can also decide to go to the next charger the same way you can decide to push it to the next gas station.

or make it so much better/cheaper than a gas car that people are willing to put up with the inconvenience.
99% of the time you don't need to think about it or go out of your way to fill up, you just plug in whenever you get home.

Also, you are right that if everything goes right people have where to charge. But what about when things don't work? What if there is a blackout on my block the night before I leave on a road trip? Or if I have to take an unexpected detour? Or if I decide last minute to go to a simcha, but have been driving all day and am on empty? Or if someone blocks my driveway, so I can't park in my garage and charge?
In order for this to be an issue you need to have (mostly) drained your battery the day before, and plan a road trip the next day. You also need this rare scenario to fall out on the rare occasion that you have a blackout. This is an extremely unlikely scenario, to put it mildly. Even if this scenario did play out the consequences are far from devastating, you'll have to stop at a public charger on the way out.

If you're looking for a far-fetched scenario, there are times that gas stations lose power and can't pump gas either. Remember Hurricane Sandy?

As far as your driveway, I'm not familiar with Brooklyn politics.



To be clear, I understand why you would think this way, I also thought this way until recently. It's probably a mix of fear of the unknown (what if...) and FUD.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #823 on: March 31, 2022, 10:10:29 AM »
Let's get back to gas.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/oil-prices-dip-after-report-that-biden-plans-to-tap-petroleum-reserve/ar-AAVIyNk?ocid=uxbndlbing&msclkid=a68f40f5b0fb11ec8ddc14eaad32e179
Many presidents from both sides of the aisle  have tried this in the past to no avail including the current one, but let's just do it again. I hope he has more to the plan.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #824 on: March 31, 2022, 10:11:53 AM »
Many presidents from both sides of the aisle  have tried this in the past to no avail including the current one, but let's just do it again. I hope he has more to the plan.
The market thinks it makes a difference.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #825 on: March 31, 2022, 10:14:44 AM »
The market thinks it makes a difference.
It did the same each other time to. It dips a little on the announcement and then it is back to whatever it was doing before. This happened under Bush and Obama
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #826 on: March 31, 2022, 10:17:52 AM »
It did the same each other time to. It dips a little on the announcement and then it is back to whatever it was doing before. This happened under Bush and Obama
There is no such thing as what it was doing before. Oil has been all over the place so how do you gauge its impact if not for what happened right after the announcement?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #827 on: March 31, 2022, 12:12:20 PM »
There is no such thing as what it was doing before. Oil has been all over the place so how do you gauge its impact if not for what happened right after the announcement?
You can see if there was any change in the trends. Even if you don't like that gauge that doesn't mean that any random thing shows something. Such speculative blips happen all the time when news comes out and then disappears pretty quickly.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #828 on: March 31, 2022, 12:26:56 PM »
You can see if there was any change in the trends.
Do we have a goalpost here we can finally use?  :)
If oil trends up it didn't and if oil trends down it did work?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #830 on: March 31, 2022, 06:06:22 PM »
https://twitter.com/chigrl/status/1509625452926750731

I guess this fits perfectly with @CountValentine's populistic narrative. Oil is down, but prices at the pump not so much, as the big bad companies make more money.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #831 on: March 31, 2022, 06:13:08 PM »
Many presidents from both sides of the aisle  have tried this in the past to no avail including the current one, but let's just do it again. I hope he has more to the plan.
didn’t they just dump a lot at one time?
Here is might help because its over 6 months of added supply, which may cut away at the shortages no?

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #832 on: March 31, 2022, 06:15:48 PM »
I guess this fits perfectly with @CountValentine's populistic narrative. Oil is down, but prices at the pump not so much, as the big bad companies make more money.
You might want to learn how the stock market works.  :)
No ever said so called oil stocks go up and down in sync with the price of oil.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #833 on: March 31, 2022, 06:16:49 PM »
Do we have a goalpost here we can finally use?  :)
If oil trends up it didn't and if oil trends down it did work?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #834 on: March 31, 2022, 06:19:45 PM »
didn’t they just dump a lot at one time?
Here is might help because its over 6 months of added supply, which may cut away at the shortages no?
No, it wasn't all at once
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #835 on: March 31, 2022, 06:25:44 PM »
Update charts for 3/28 so you can see how you are getting screwed. Also, for those who used the pretzel it was because of lag time.





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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #836 on: March 31, 2022, 06:41:10 PM »
didn’t they just dump a lot at one time?
Here is might help because its over 6 months of added supply, which may cut away at the shortages no?
This will be the largest release ever.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #837 on: March 31, 2022, 07:43:26 PM »
Still waiting for answer. @aygart
If you can put it in isolation. Otherwise, I will assume it gave the same result as every other time. Just because nothing else is better doesn't make something correct. A move on an announcement is less than meaningless. It will contribute a bit probably but it never moved the needle in the past so why should we suddenly thnk it did now?

What this move does show is that Biden is feeling the political heat whether it does or doesn't have anything to do with him.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #838 on: March 31, 2022, 07:43:52 PM »
This will be the largest release ever.
Sounds like a feeling of desperation. Warranted?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #839 on: March 31, 2022, 08:59:42 PM »
If you can put it in isolation. Otherwise, I will assume it gave the same result as every other time. Just because nothing else is better doesn't make something correct. A move on an announcement is less than meaningless. It will contribute a bit probably but it never moved the needle in the past so why should we suddenly thnk it did now?
I had a glimmer of hope you would give us your standard to judge it by otherwise it will be flip-flop as usual.
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