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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #320 on: March 08, 2022, 09:35:55 AM »
Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism, why would we want to help them finance it?
Some believe nukes are a bigger threat.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #321 on: March 08, 2022, 09:44:12 AM »
To bring peace in our time

Seems like a side consequence has been the Russians having a change of heart on the Iran deal. They don't want Iranian oil back on free global markets while the the Russians are subject to sanctions.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #322 on: March 08, 2022, 11:44:15 AM »
I think banning Russian oil is counterproductive. They'll make more money selling less oil thanks to higher prices.

Fewer customers for Russian oil = less demand and lower prices, lower income for Russia. That's also what happened with Iranian oil IINM.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #323 on: March 08, 2022, 11:46:42 AM »
Some believe nukes are a bigger threat.
Exactly. So why would you lift sanctions for being huge human rights abusers and sponsors/actors of terror, and also allow them to have nuclear weapons? That's exactly what the deal is designed to do. It doesn't even pretend otherwise on paper.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #324 on: March 08, 2022, 11:53:43 AM »
Exactly. So why would you lift sanctions for being huge human rights abusers and sponsors/actors of terror, and also allow them to have nuclear weapons? That's exactly what the deal is designed to do. It doesn't even pretend otherwise on paper.
You seemed confused. The nuclear deal prevents them for getting nukes under the deal. I know you are against the deal but no need for pretzels.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #325 on: March 08, 2022, 11:58:02 AM »
Fewer customers for Russian oil = less demand and lower prices, lower income for Russia. That's also what happened with Iranian oil IINM.
The US doesn't buy enough Russian oil to make a big difference. I would think the amount this increases the price, more than makes up for their possibly slight drop in volume. If everyone banned Russian oil you would be correct, but much of Europe has no alternative.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #326 on: March 08, 2022, 12:00:49 PM »
You seemed confused. The nuclear deal prevents them for getting nukes under the deal. I know you are against the deal but no need for pretzels.
The only reason people are against is because they believe it makes it easier not harder for them to get nukes. Blather about pretzels while ignoring their arguments is more of an indication of ignorance than anything else.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #327 on: March 08, 2022, 12:04:02 PM »
The only reason people are against is because they believe it makes it easier not harder for them to get nukes. Blather about pretzels while ignoring their arguments is more of an indication of ignorance than anything else.
Ignorance and self interest are why they are against the deal. Please explain what part of the deal makes it easier to get nukes.

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-nuclear-deal-uranium-donald-trump-1443234
https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/596734-iran-close-to-enough-uranium-for-nuclear-weapon
https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2022/mar/04/report-iran-added-to-uranium-stocks/

When they present no argument and only emotions then yes we have pretzels.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #328 on: March 08, 2022, 12:11:22 PM »
We need to increase production sort-term. The long-term solution is not to be dependent on oil. Unfortunately, renewable energy is taboo to one side.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #330 on: March 08, 2022, 12:18:44 PM »
The fact remains they increased uranium enrichment once the agreement was voided. That brings them closer to a nuke.

What in the agreement makes it easier to get a nuke as some have claimed?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #331 on: March 08, 2022, 12:21:30 PM »
We need to increase production sort-term. The long-term solution is not to be dependent on oil. Unfortunately, renewable energy is taboo to one side.
I do this for my day job and despite how the Dems present it you couldn't be further from the truth. You just presented the R position here. The Ds are pushing renewable with complete disregard to whether it is ready yet in every jurisdiction where they are able.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #332 on: March 08, 2022, 12:21:59 PM »
The fact remains they increased uranium enrichment once the agreement was voided. That brings them closer to a nuke.

What in the agreement makes it easier to get a nuke as some have claimed?
Wow. Why do you prefer to play blind? This is not a game. This is about mass murderers getting weapons of mass destruction.

More money, no real restrictions, legitimaticy, removed sanctions=more terror and paving a path to nuclear weapons.

Iran has made clear their intent. They are being ignored.

Even this tabloid got it right. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10578541/RUSSIA-manipulating-Biden-accepting-weak-new-Iran-nuclear-deal-VICTORIA-COATES.html

Truly sickening.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #333 on: March 08, 2022, 12:25:04 PM »
The fact remains they increased uranium enrichment once the agreement was voided. That brings them closer to a nuke.

What in the agreement makes it easier to get a nuke as some have claimed?
What about under the agreement? Either way how do we know what they did?

I don't know enough about the north gritty of it so my actual opinions here will be limited.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #334 on: March 08, 2022, 12:26:26 PM »
Wow. Why do you prefer to play blind? This is not a game.
Your emotions are clouding your judgement. Every report I seen says the breakout time for Iran to get a nuke is less since the last admin nuked the deal.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #335 on: March 08, 2022, 12:27:29 PM »
Wow. Why do you prefer to play blind? This is not a game. This is about mass murderers getting weapons of mass destruction.

More money, no real restrictions, legitimaticy, removed sanctions=more terror and paving a path to nuclear weapons.

Iran has made clear their intent. They are being ignored.

Even this tabloid got it right. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10578541/RUSSIA-manipulating-Biden-accepting-weak-new-Iran-nuclear-deal-VICTORIA-COATES.html

Truly sickening.
Those supporting it feel that there are real restrictions so you will need to explain why they are inadequate.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #336 on: March 08, 2022, 12:28:30 PM »
I do this for my day job and despite how the Dems present it you couldn't be further from the truth. You just presented the R position here. The Ds are pushing renewable with complete disregard to whether it is ready yet in every jurisdiction where they are able.
I am not pushing any position but my own. We need to invest heavily in renewable energy.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #337 on: March 08, 2022, 12:31:02 PM »
Every report I seen says the breakout time for Iran to get a nuke is less since the last admin nuked the deal.
Maybe, but sanctioning their ambitions because it's on a slightly longer timescale means we are giving up our right to use other methods to stop it.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #338 on: March 08, 2022, 12:33:07 PM »
I am not pushing any position but my own. We need to invest heavily in renewable energy.
We already do. Governments and utilities already pay for most of the cost of renewable energy. The reason it's not happening quicker is because it's impossible.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #339 on: March 08, 2022, 12:34:00 PM »
I am not pushing any position but my own. We need to invest heavily in renewable energy.
Your position is very in line with the Rs and is the only one that makes sense.
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