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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #360 on: March 08, 2022, 04:59:46 PM »
What are the incomplete facts?
Sorry not in the mood of this dishonest discussion now believe what you want.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #361 on: March 08, 2022, 05:10:12 PM »
The Jerusalem Post: Chevron CEO says Israel gas pipeline could supply Europe.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-700615

Last January, the US informed Israel, Greece and Cyprus that they no longer supported the proposed EastMed natural-gas pipeline from Israel to Europe citing the need to “(allow) for future exports of electricity produced by renewable energy sources, benefiting nations in the region.”
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #362 on: March 08, 2022, 05:12:55 PM »
Sorry not in the mood of this dishonest discussion now believe what you want.
I believe the facts. You feel there are facts to what he said that were left out. I am just asking what they are to see if they are germane to what he said.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #363 on: March 08, 2022, 05:16:59 PM »
I believe the facts. You feel there are facts to what he said that were left out. I am just asking what they are to see if they are germane to what he said.
You already ignored it both now and the last dishonest tweet he posted here
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #364 on: March 08, 2022, 05:26:18 PM »
You already ignored it both now and the last dishonest tweet he posted here
I have to idea what other tweet you are talking about. I don't ignore facts. The opinion part is where we have a problem.

Example: Less deaths under last admin for covid. That is a fact. Now everyone will have their spin on why, but it still is a fact.

I am just asking what fact/s are missing?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #365 on: March 08, 2022, 06:21:13 PM »
IEA: A 10-Point Plan to Reduce the European Union's Reliance on Russian Natural Gas – Analysis - IEA.
https://www.iea.org/reports/a-10-point-plan-to-reduce-the-european-unions-reliance-on-russian-natural-gas
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #366 on: March 08, 2022, 06:30:24 PM »
IEA: A 10-Point Plan to Reduce the European Union's Reliance on Russian Natural Gas – Analysis - IEA.
https://www.iea.org/reports/a-10-point-plan-to-reduce-the-european-unions-reliance-on-russian-natural-gas

Amazing report written by progressive busybodies which can be summed on in the following short paragraph, which they don't say:

We never planned for proper alternatives to Russian gas, and we don't really have a real alternative. We will now proceed with many words to put idealistic political talking points that don't really solve the issue.
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #367 on: March 08, 2022, 06:52:44 PM »


FTR I didn't fact check this and it was posted by the Republicans.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2022, 07:14:13 PM by aygart »
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #369 on: March 08, 2022, 06:59:42 PM »
Did he get the facts wrong?

You decide. Tweet implies Trump was actually against domestic production because he cut production a month after COVID shut down the economy.
Is that the truth?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #370 on: March 08, 2022, 07:32:34 PM »
You decide. Tweet implies Trump was actually against domestic production because he cut production a month after COVID shut down the economy.
Is that the truth?
No it is not true the tweet implied that. The tweets states he got involved (prodded) to reduce gobal oil production.

ETA:He got others to agree to cut in production, picked some of the slack from Mexico who didn't want production cut and cut are own production. Are these the facts that are missing from the tweet? What a moron!!!
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #373 on: March 08, 2022, 11:21:52 PM »
https://twitter.com/chigrl/status/1501327254231650306?s=21

https://twitter.com/chigrl/status/1501327257121529859?s=21
There is some validity to all the arguements here, however a few points are missing.

1) All this will lead to higher costs for EVs, but high fuel prices mean people are willing to pay even more for an EV.

2) New technologies mean that less scarce metal is needed. Either more efficient batteries so less is needed for the same capacity or different chemistries like LFP which doesn't use much precious metal if any. While LFP is not good for all applications it is excellent for short and medium range vehicles. Tesla is using them in their standard range vehicles.

3) The cost of charging is still peanuts compared to gas, even if electricity prices increase it will still be much cheaper.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #374 on: March 08, 2022, 11:25:17 PM »
There is some validity to all the arguements here, however a few points are missing.

1) All this will lead to higher costs for EVs, but high fuel prices mean people are willing to pay even more for an EV.

2) New technologies mean that less scarce metal is needed. Either more efficient batteries so less is needed for the same capacity or different chemistries like LFP which doesn't use much precious metal if any. While LFP is not good for all applications it is excellent for short and medium range vehicles. Tesla is using them in their standard range vehicles.

3) The cost of charging is still peanuts compared to gas, even if electricity prices increase it will still be much cheaper.

1) debatable.

2) How far into the future is this?

3) Source?
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #375 on: March 08, 2022, 11:41:13 PM »
1) debatable.

2) How far into the future is this?

3) Source?
3. Is easy to compute. Cost per KWH of your local utility times capacity divided by range. Compare that to equivalent gas car MPG and cost of gas.

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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #376 on: March 08, 2022, 11:48:35 PM »
Fox Business: Energy industry swipes back at Psaki 'red herring' comment on oil and gas leases.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/energy-industry-psaki-oil-and-gas-leases-ceraweek
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #377 on: March 09, 2022, 12:07:42 AM »
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Re: Biden’s Gas Crisis
« Reply #379 on: March 09, 2022, 12:27:39 AM »
I am shocked oil and gas producers are for the sanctions. All it means is they will make more money. Oh, I get it now.  :)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/oil-and-gas-producers-in-illinois-back-russian-import-ban/ar-AAUOQ9M?ocid=msedgntp
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