Biden’s Gas Crisis

[yesitsme]

its high time for a MM with CV to clear out all this Miscommunications

[CountValentine]

What was I saying on the way up and what were you saying on the way up? What am I saying now what are you saying now? You can B_ about pretzel and fish and fake goalposts however much you want but it won't change that on the way up you were deflecting from Biden and now you are crediting him

You don't get to complain that someone is or isn't using goalposts when you will never agree to them.
So, what is the goalpost you want to use? He either gets credit or he doesn't. I will agree to either. If you won't pick one, then you have no creditability to talk about goalposts. It is that simple or more accurately fair!!!

We can do the same for inflation, jobs, market a whole list of other things.

For the record, I posted a comic. I said nothing about credit.

[aygart]

You don't get to complain that someone is or isn't using goalposts when you will never agree to them.
So, what is the goalpost you want to use? He either gets credit or he doesn't. I will agree to either. If you won't pick one, then you have to creditability to talk about goalposts. It is that simple or more accurately fair!!!

We can do the same for inflation, jobs, market a whole list of other things.

In my opinion he does not get blame or credit and that is what I have been saying the whole time. There are some policies that may have made it worse on the way up and some that may have contributed on the way down. From what I am seeing in the gas markets the way down is mostly due to 2 items that nobody controls. First is the weather and serving is the explosion at Freeport LNG.

[CountValentine]

In my opinion he does not get blame or credit and that is what I have been saying the whole time.

Then we will use that goalpost going forward. See how easy that is.
So, when members spew the crap about his policies can I expect your support that it doesn't matter? 

[aygart]

Then we will use that goalpost going forward. See how easy that is.
So, when members spew the crap about his policies can I expect your support that it doesn't matter? 

Go look at what I wrote on the way up.

[CountValentine]

Go look at what I wrote on the way up.

No need to rehash anything. I look forward to your support when others spew the crap about policies.

[aygart]

No need to rehash anything. I look forward to your support when others spew the crap about policies.

You can expect the same as what I did on the way up.

What is your position?

To be sure policies can have an effect in both directions.

[CountValentine]

What is your position?

To be sure policies can have an effect in both directions.

This is an open door to flip flop and that is the problem. Goalpost gives no option to flip flop.
The problem is the constant flip flopping based on politics.

My position is I will agree to use any goalposts someone wants to agree to.

[aygart]

Goalpost gives no option to flip flop.

Lol

[CountValentine]

Lol

Laugh all you want but they work. When someone agrees to goalpost then you just quote the post they flip flopped that had goalposts.

[yuneeq]

You don't get to complain that someone is or isn't using goalposts when you will never agree to them.
So, what is the goalpost you want to use? He either gets credit or he doesn't. I will agree to either. If you won't pick one, then you have no creditability to talk about goalposts. It is that simple or more accurately fair!!!

We can do the same for inflation, jobs, market a whole list of other things.

For the record, I posted a comic. I said nothing about credit.

The simplest goal post is the one you usually choose, but seem to be ignoring:
Gas prices on Inauguration Day: $2.39

It baffles me how someone can complain about Biden not getting credit for low gas prices when prices have been nowhere near that mark, and currently up 38%.

[CountValentine]

The simplest goal post is the one you usually choose, but seem to be ignoring:
Gas prices on Inauguration Day: $2.39

It baffles me how someone can complain about Biden not getting credit for low gas prices when prices have been nowhere near that mark, and currently up 38%.

I think I missed the part about me complaining about Biden getting credit for low gas prices? Can it be because I never did and you made it up? 

[yuneeq]

I think I missed the part about me complaining about Biden getting credit for low gas prices? Can it be because I never did and you made it up? 

Nah, just complaining that by some others goal posts he either should gets credit or he doesn’t. Curious what the credit goal posts look like, because by the simplest view, the question is whether he deserves blame or not.

You don't get to complain that someone is or isn't using goalposts when you will never agree to them.
So, what is the goalpost you want to use? He either gets credit or he doesn't. I will agree to either.

[CountValentine]

Nah, just complaining that by some others goal posts he either should gets credit or he doesn’t. Curious what the credit goal posts look like, because by the simplest view, the question is whether he deserves blame or not.

Again you just keep making things up. Does not bode well for your creditability.
The issue is about using goalposts. You need them otherwise you have idiots claiming Keystone XL was one of the reasons gas prices went up when it had nothing to do with it.

Let me explain it so a first grader can understand. We will you use the goalpost that you call the simplest one and I agree, the price of gas. Using this goalpost Biden gets the blame for gas prices going to $5 but he then gets credit for prices coming down to $3. He does not get credit for low gas prices because they are not low relative to when he took office.

[aygart]

Again you just keep making things up. Does not bode well for your creditability.
The issue is about using goalposts. You need them otherwise you have idiots claiming Keystone XL was one of the reasons gas prices went up when it had nothing to do with it.

Let me explain it so a first grader can understand. We will you use the goalpost that you call the simplest one and I agree, the price of gas. Using this goalpost Biden gets the blame for gas prices going to $5 but he then gets credit for prices coming down to $3. He does not get credit for low gas prices because they are not low relative to when he took office.

Keystone was not a non factor it just wasn't an overriding one.

[CountValentine]

Keystone was not a non factor it just wasn't an overriding one.

Keystone XL would take the dirtiest oil from Canada, refined it and then ship it overseas. If anything, it made things worse taking up valuable resources for something we would sell overseas.

[avromie7]

Keystone XL would take the dirtiest oil from Canada, refined it and then ship it overseas. If anything, it made things worse taking up valuable resources for something we would sell overseas.

If you would understand global trade you would realize it doesn't really matter where the oil is being sold. A stable source of oil is always going to help keep prices low.

[CountValentine]

If you would understand global trade you would realize it doesn't really matter where the oil is being sold. A stable source of oil is always going to help keep prices low.

If you would understand the refinery capacity could be used for something we (USA) actually use.

Keystone XL did zero for our oil independence and had zero effect on the price of gas!!! We don't use that crap.

[aygart]

Keystone XL would take the dirtiest oil from Canada, refined it and then ship it overseas. If anything, it made things worse taking up valuable resources for something we would sell overseas.

This makes no sense at all. Why would that specifically get sent overseas once it is refined and the original source is now irrelevant?

If you would understand the refinery capacity could be used for something we (USA) actually use.

Keystone XL did zero for our oil independence and had zero effect on the price of gas!!! We don't use that crap.

Once it is refined it is just as usable as anything else.

[CountValentine]

Once it is refined it is just as usable as anything else.

You sure about that? It is refined to the same specs?