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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #120 on: May 19, 2021, 05:32:06 PM »
What is the logic for defending this mickey mouse setup?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #121 on: May 19, 2021, 05:33:56 PM »
What is the logic for defending this mickey mouse setup?
cognitive dissonance
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #122 on: May 19, 2021, 05:38:49 PM »
What is the logic for defending this mickey mouse setup?
I don’t recall anyone defending. A DDFer who was present said that people weren’t supposed to be on it yet.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #123 on: May 19, 2021, 06:08:44 PM »
I don’t recall anyone defending. A DDFer who was present said that people weren’t supposed to be on it yet.
Some have claimed how safe this has always been. Everything works until it doesn't.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #124 on: May 19, 2021, 06:15:56 PM »


Unfortunately you can clearly see they are still constructing it while the Tish has already started. There is someone under on a ladder and someone on top reinforcing it.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #126 on: May 19, 2021, 06:17:52 PM »
What is the logic for defending this mickey mouse setup?
No one is defending criminals. Only clarifying the overly exaggerated coverage by the media who know nothing about the circumstances. Even that video circulating is a complete distortion, zooming in on a few threads that stayed hanging after a complete collapse. I and many others know how much time and energy went into ensuring the safety of this event. They went above and beyond. I know this firsthand. Unfortunately, they missed this blindspot. It's very tragic.
Interestingly, from the many injured I know well, I haven't heard ONE PERSON saying they hope those in charge will be prosecuted. It's only the outsiders who got their info from Twitter, WhatsApp, YWN and Matzav, that are so concerned about how many will spend time in jail. If those suffering physically and emotionally aren't spending their time accusing others, why are outsiders doing so. As klal Yisroel, we are family. If ones parent or sibling would be involved in such an error, I don't think they would be excited for their family member to be procecuted.
All this doesn't mean that those in charge won't be procecuted. There's a thorough investigation ongoing, and they are fully cooperating with the authorities. But it's sickening to see how some are so obsessed with the neglect involved based on distorted information.
If people are so concerned, they can consider praying for a full recovery of the injured, or donating to the fund set up to help the families. It's a sad long recovery process. The Mesivtas here look like a rehab, with dozens of boys with boots, slings, crutches, stiches etc. Some breadwinners are bedridden and can't work etc. And much more. There's much better ways to help them, then by assuring the arrest of the organizers.
(I'm not only responding to the one quoted here, but to everyone who is overindulging in the unnecessary details of the tragedy)
Disclaimer: I'm not one of the organizers, nor a close relative to any of them.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #127 on: May 19, 2021, 06:20:33 PM »
Some have claimed how safe this has always been. Everything works until it doesn't.
This appears to have been mid-construction.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #128 on: May 19, 2021, 06:25:57 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1975003/in-wake-of-tragedy-israels-largest-chassidus-will-no-longer-use-bleachers.html

Is this overkill? Proper bleachers should be safer than having a stuffed tish. Unless the assumption is that the bleachers could still be used above the intended limit, or that corners may be cut.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #130 on: May 19, 2021, 06:27:35 PM »


Unfortunately you can clearly see they are still constructing it while the Tish has already started. There is someone under on a ladder and someone on top reinforcing it.

The 2x4s are clearly not handrails in this picture. There are no handrails.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #131 on: May 19, 2021, 06:29:10 PM »
Is this overkill? Proper bleachers should be safer than having a stuffed tish. Unless the assumption is that the bleachers could still be used above the intended limit, or that corners may be cut.
Seems illogical to me, saying that all chasidus are having their bleachers inspected by engineers makes sense.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #132 on: May 19, 2021, 06:33:04 PM »
https://twitter.com/akivanovick/status/1394988754377510915
This is not referring to the Stolin incident. Stolin aren't קנאים. Many chassidim have smartphones (with filters, of course)

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #133 on: May 19, 2021, 06:34:43 PM »
This is not referring to the Stolin incident. Stolin aren't קנאים. Many chassidim have smartphones (with filters, of course)
I’m sorry, I confused it with the other tragedy. My bad.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #134 on: May 19, 2021, 06:41:21 PM »
I’m sorry, I confused it with the other tragedy. My bad.
Was actually a huge Kiddush Hashem seeing the full cooperation with emergency personnel regardless of gender/modesty level etc. Everyone was treated respectfully, and they were very impressed.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #135 on: May 19, 2021, 06:45:20 PM »
Was actually a huge Kiddush Hashem seeing the full cooperation with emergency personnel regardless of gender/modesty level etc. Everyone was treated respectfully, and they were very impressed.
Which is something the Stoliner Rebbe is very makpid on, from what I’ve heard.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #136 on: May 19, 2021, 06:52:03 PM »
Lots of places do. Its pretty thick. Not gonna crack from dancing on it.
In Israel I think they use them for cross support etc in US never seen any wood for support

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #137 on: May 19, 2021, 06:52:23 PM »
Was actually a huge Kiddush Hashem seeing the full cooperation with emergency personnel regardless of gender/modesty level etc. Everyone was treated respectfully, and they were very impressed.
I heard (didn't verify) that the cops called in riot police because they were closing off the building. Assuming they would have issues closing the building since they were supposed to be davening/eating/sleeping/mikvah etc.. In the building.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #138 on: May 19, 2021, 06:53:31 PM »
I heard (didn't verify) that the cops called in riot police because they were closing off the building. Assuming they would have issues closing the building since they were supposed to be davening/eating/sleeping/mikvah etc.. In the building.
Where did everybody sleep ?

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #139 on: May 19, 2021, 06:58:00 PM »
In Israel I think they use them for cross support etc in US never seen any wood for support
This is what I was trying to point out.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half