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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #260 on: May 30, 2021, 02:41:22 AM »
If people keep giving, you keep on raising it. Basic campaign strategy.

If this is a building fund or shul campaign I would understand. But this is a campaign to pay for medical expenses. There shouldn’t be a “keep raising” campaign strategy once the expenses are covered.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #261 on: May 30, 2021, 04:29:41 AM »
If this is a building fund or shul campaign I would understand. But this is a campaign to pay for medical expenses. There shouldn’t be a “keep raising” campaign strategy once the expenses are covered.
At the very beginning they estimated the need for 2-3 million. They started with 1 million because they didn't think a small group of Stolin (in America only), was capable of raising more than that. They said, at least 1 million will help with some relief. But BH Klal Yisroel has opened their hearts and they saw that they can do much more BH.

Regarding expenses, it's not only surgeries, etc., though that is a large chunk.
Clothing loss itself costed about a half million NIS (a couple hundred boys lost glasses, suits, and hats)
There's unemployment for people who either can't work themselves or are attending to family members and therefore can't work.
There's lots of physical and emotional therapy needed. Some things are covered by the insurance. Some things need to be done private for much better professionals than the insurance offers.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #262 on: May 30, 2021, 10:44:38 AM »
If people keep giving, you keep on raising it. Basic campaign strategy.
Then you will also get the distrust which comes along with that strategy.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #263 on: May 30, 2021, 10:53:46 AM »
Then you will also get the distrust which comes along with that strategy.
Lol anyone giving to any campaign but one he is personally connected to at this point has a unexhaustable well of trust.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #264 on: May 30, 2021, 11:15:04 AM »
Then you will also get the distrust which comes along with that strategy.
When we're talking of so many injuries everyone understands that $1MM ain’t covering diddly squat. If it was more of a wealthy community this happened to they probably would’ve started at $5MM.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #265 on: May 30, 2021, 11:17:24 AM »
At the very beginning they estimated the need for 2-3 million. They started with 1 million because they didn't think a small group of Stolin (in America only), was capable of raising more than that. They said, at least 1 million will help with some relief. But BH Klal Yisroel has opened their hearts and they saw that they can do much more BH.

Regarding expenses, it's not only surgeries, etc., though that is a large chunk.
Clothing loss itself costed about a half million NIS (a couple hundred boys lost glasses, suits, and hats)
There's unemployment for people who either can't work themselves or are attending to family members and therefore can't work.
There's lots of physical and emotional therapy needed. Some things are covered by the insurance. Some things need to be done private for much better professionals than the insurance offers.
Clothing loss?! I dont want to minimize the tragedy in any way. However, unless stolin in e"y is in extreme poverty, I would believe (even if) every person lost one "outfit", they shouldnt be fundraising for that. Really portrays taking advantage of a situation to fundraise. I was in Landaus shul a couple weeks ago, they had a campaign for this, I was about to give, but the speech the guy gave was "full of holes", so i left. (i ended up making a small donation on a friends page).

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #266 on: May 30, 2021, 11:17:55 AM »
Lol anyone giving to any campaign but one he is personally connected to at this point has a unexhaustable well of trust.
True but there are many that give that don't have an inexhaustible well of trust. There are also those connected that have raised the question. Either way good luck with the campaign.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #267 on: May 30, 2021, 11:18:21 AM »
When we're talking of so many injuries everyone understands that $1MM ain’t covering diddly squat. If it was more of a wealthy community this happened to they probably would’ve started at $5MM.
Why? Doesnt insurance cover anything?

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #268 on: May 30, 2021, 11:21:12 AM »
Why? Doesnt insurance cover anything?
Insurance?
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #270 on: May 30, 2021, 11:34:18 AM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #271 on: May 30, 2021, 11:35:44 AM »
At the very beginning they estimated the need for 2-3 million. They started with 1 million because they didn't think a small group of Stolin (in America only), was capable of raising more than that. They said, at least 1 million will help with some relief. But BH Klal Yisroel has opened their hearts and they saw that they can do much more BH.

Regarding expenses, it's not only surgeries, etc., though that is a large chunk.
Clothing loss itself costed about a half million NIS (a couple hundred boys lost glasses, suits, and hats)
There's unemployment for people who either can't work themselves or are attending to family members and therefore can't work.
There's lots of physical and emotional therapy needed. Some things are covered by the insurance. Some things need to be done private for much better professionals than the insurance offers.

Thanks for the explanation
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #272 on: May 30, 2021, 11:35:51 AM »
Clothing loss?! I dont want to minimize the tragedy in any way. However, unless stolin in e"y is in extreme poverty, I would believe (even if) every person lost one "outfit", they shouldnt be fundraising for that. Really portrays taking advantage of a situation to fundraise. I was in Landaus shul a couple weeks ago, they had a campaign for this, I was about to give, but the speech the guy gave was "full of holes", so i left. (i ended up making a small donation on a friends page).

That is one way to look at it.

The other way to look at is that because of someone else they lost all their clothing and they are trying to help them get back what they lost. Also its not just suits its Streimlach, hats, glasses etc.

Just to be clear I do hear the other side of the coin. But I also know that 3 people have to sign off on any money that is given out. So I do not believe any money is going to people that should not be getting it.

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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #273 on: May 30, 2021, 11:42:12 AM »
Why? Doesnt insurance cover anything?
Doesn't the facility have liability insurance?
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #274 on: May 30, 2021, 11:43:10 AM »
When we're talking of so many injuries everyone understands that $1MM ain’t covering diddly squat. If it was more of a wealthy community this happened to they probably would’ve started at $5MM.

Kupat cholim will probably pay out most medical expenses needed, even going by the example given for fundraising about an emergency 100k surgery out of pocket, you would need 30 of those to make up 3m, or an average of 15k in out of pocket medical expenses per person. I think we can all doubt something like that happened. But I think the other things @yandmk mentioned are pretty important and can easily eat the budget they set.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #275 on: May 30, 2021, 11:44:47 AM »
Doesn't the facility have liability insurance?
This is ultra orthodox Israel. No community is expecting someone from inside to sue, and insurance in all its forms is generally less common.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #276 on: May 30, 2021, 11:47:33 AM »
This is ultra orthodox Israel. No community is expecting someone from inside to sue, and insurance in all its forms is generally less common.
I mean if they have liability insurance you would think they would encourage those injured to sue.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #277 on: May 30, 2021, 11:48:05 AM »
I was in Landaus shul a couple weeks ago, they had a campaign for this, I was about to give, but the speech the guy gave was "full of holes", so i left. (i ended up making a small donation on a friends page).
Apparently most didn’t feel the same as you. Currently at $112K.
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #278 on: May 30, 2021, 11:50:19 AM »
I mean if they have liability insurance you would think they would encourage those injured to sue.
This is a foreign country with a legal statement, with a different legal and regulatory system
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Re: Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin
« Reply #279 on: May 30, 2021, 11:53:14 AM »
I mean if they have liability insurance you would think they would encourage those injured to sue.
True. I believe the second part of what I wrote is the main one, the first a partial reason for the second.
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