Bleachers Collapse In Karlin-Stolin

[yandmk]

Doesn't the facility have liability insurance?

Highly doubt it since the building isn't complete. Still 3 more stories to be added.

[JlmBoi]

Highly doubt it since the building isn't complete. Still 3 more stories to be added.

Many shuls operate in unfinished buildings for years. Not limited to chareidi places. This and many other similar situations caused partly by the overly complex legality of things here is probably a reason why this and other (house, contents etc) insurance is not so common.

[whacked1]

Apparently most didn’t feel the same as you. Currently at $112K.
https://www.charidy.com/karlintragedy/5234

B"h. I'm glad they are exceeded their goal. I made a donation (not to that page). Was just reflecting how it was portrayed in my mind.

[yesitsme]

I dont know how much is going for clothing, but i did hear that they transported ~235 patents and they didn't open buttons or zippers they just cut everything open in order not to waste time to evaluate, i dont know if this was done to all, but definitely to many

About medical expenses it doesn't work like in the usa where you can have better private insurance, it's either covered or not, if not and you want to see a better doctor you gotta pay in cash

Hand amputation was the most severe case but there's also facial surgerys skin peeled off etc,

And then there is the trauma ~1000 tumbled down + those that watched, they hired professional socail workers to get it out of there system before it does too much damage

They hired tutors to learn with the home bound

I dont know hard numbers or facts, this is what i heard

[AsherO]

You can’t pull on peoples heartstrings raising money for saving limbs and psychiatric care, and then say the money went to cover clothing as tutors.

[yesitsme]

You can’t pull on peoples heartstrings raising money for saving limbs and psychiatric care, and then say the money went to cover clothing.

What percentage is a shirt against a hand

The bigger percentage goes for what your heart goes out for

[JlmBoi]

You can’t pull on peoples heartstrings raising money for saving limbs and psychiatric care, and then say the money went to cover clothing as tutors.

That's downright righteous compared to what I've seen.

[Abebee]

I don't know exact number, but all I do know is that a Vadd of rabamin were put in place to distribute the money and everything must be approved by them.

Also שמואל מאיר בן זעלדא (should have a refuah shleima) recovery alone is north of 250K.

The 1 widow is also getting a large chunk out of his sum.

The list is endless, another young boucher lost all this teeth in the fall (his name wasn't even on the list for cholim since its "only" a cosmetic injury)

[AsherO]

That's downright righteous compared to what I've seen.

I dont want to throw out accusations based on what I don’t know and can’t prove about this campaign, but I should be entitled to asking these questions.

[yesitsme]

One of the seriously injusred was released last Wednesday (in a wheelchair) was an American buchor luckily   he had health insurance which is very important when studying abroad

[TimT]

You can’t expect them to know exact numbers a week into a mass casualty incident. Nobody knows what exactly will happen, what long-term medical care will be, how long they’ll be out of work, and on & on. One trauma therapist on scene called it a “long & expensive journey”. ה׳ ירחם
But the fundraising needs to be done now when it’s still fresh & people are shaken up by it. If you wait till you have exact numbers you’ll need to remind people what it’s for. People tend to move on from tragedies.

[yesitsme]

The quote is not mine

But the one that it was made for had much more then broken hands and feet

[JlmBoi]

I dont want to throw out accusations based on what I don’t know and can’t prove about this campaign, but I should be entitled to asking these questions.

I don't think it's a problem to ask it to have a healthy level of skepticism sometimes. In this case, if they are commiting to pay for therapy for everyone effectee that needs, that is massive massive cost.
IDK if I'm saying this because I trust Stolin more than others, but I don't think it's dishonest for them to strike while the iron is hot and fundraise more than they currently think they need. I don't think they are the type to do this without better than usual oversight and such.

[TimT]

In this case, if they are commiting to pay for therapy for everyone effectee that needs, that is massive massive cost.

What about loss of income for extended period of time ? Does government cover that ?

[JlmBoi]

What about loss of income for extended period of time ? Does government cover that ?

Most of the injured were under working age I believe. I think there is some level of coverage for that when appropriate. I'm very unsure about the level of coverage for families where a parent who was working needs to take off or stop working to take care of a debilitated child.
In general, you need to pay a company to get these benefits for you unless you want to go through 7 levels of hell to get it.
I don't think it was discussed on these forums but a IDF veteran set himself on fire recently, it's incredible how bad things here have to get for them to get any attention. There are routine protests of disabled people in front of the knesset about how they are treated. This country had a very long way to go with its attitude to helping even when by the book its being done.

[yesitsme]

I don't think it's a problem to ask it to have a healthy level of skepticism sometimes. In this case, if they are commiting to pay for therapy for everyone effectee that needs, that is massive massive cost.
IDK if I'm saying this because I trust Stolin more than others, but I don't think it's dishonest for them to strike while the iron is hot and fundraise more than they currently think they need. I don't think they are the type to do this without better than usual oversight and such.

Where do you get that info from? That they're fundraising more then they currently estimate  they will need?

They estimated well over 2 million at the beginning of the campaign but they put a lower goal at start it shouldn't be to far from reality of what can be raised

[JlmBoi]

Where do you get that info from? That they're fundraising more then they currently estimate  they will need?

They estimated well over 2 million at the beginning of the campaign but they put a lower goal at start it shouldn't be to far from reality of what can be raised

I don't know that. I'm saying I don't think it's so wrong even if they are.

[TimT]

Most of the injured were under working age I believe. I think there is some level of coverage for that when appropriate. I'm very unsure about the level of coverage for families where a parent who was working needs to take off or stop working to take care of a debilitated child.
In general, you need to pay a company to get these benefits for you unless you want to go through 7 levels of hell to get it.

Even underage, if they’re in the hospital then a parent is probably there with them. Even some of the released ones probably still need someone to care for them at home or taking them to dr’s & therapy. I’m not so familiar with these cases specifically but a lot goes into these things.

[AsherO]

I don't think it's a problem to ask it to have a healthy level of skepticism sometimes. In this case, if they are commiting to pay for therapy for everyone effectee that needs, that is massive massive cost.
IDK if I'm saying this because I trust Stolin more than others, but I don't think it's dishonest for them to strike while the iron is hot and fundraise more than they currently think they need. I don't think they are the type to do this without better than usual oversight and such.

While I can see the value of therapy, they amount they are paying and the way they’re going about it is probably a waste of money. Treatment for PTSD isn’t one-size-fits-all, and your average psych graduate without much experience can’t really make that much of a difference. Even with $500/hour career therapists with knowledge of multiple treatment techniques and a network to refer to, success is far from guaranteed.

Unfortunately I’m speaking from experience, having family relatives who were beneficiaries of multiple organizations that “paid for therapy”.

[yesitsme]

While I can see the value of therapy, they amount they are paying and the way they’re going about it is probably a waste of money. Treatment for PTSD isn’t one-size-fits-all, and your average psych graduate without much experience can’t really make that much of a difference. Even with $500/hour career therapists with knowledge of multiple treatment techniques and a network to refer to, success is far from guaranteed.

Unfortunately I’m speaking from experience, having family relatives who were beneficiaries of multiple organizations that “paid for therapy”.

So you're suggesting to just let it roll....