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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2021, 08:30:56 AM »
I was talking about in our country. We need to get our own house in order.

Agreed, we definitely need to learn about it and it’s an ugly piece of US history. But I disagree about the necessity to imagine how a black feels today.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2021, 08:34:49 AM »
Agreed, we definitely need to learn about it and it’s an ugly piece of US history. But I disagree about the necessity to imagine how a black feels today.
You need to put yourself in their position to understand how they feel. No different for someone to put their self in your position to try and understand what a Jew goes through.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2021, 08:43:20 AM »
Agreed, we definitely need to learn about it and it’s an ugly piece of US history. But I disagree about the necessity to imagine how a black feels today.
If you want the current race based cycle to end people will need to do that.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2021, 08:59:14 AM »
You need to put yourself in their position to understand how they feel. No different for someone to put their self in your position to try and understand what a Jew goes through.

I do this, yet to be honest I feel the black racism card has been extremely overplayed nowadays, usually coming at the expense of other races/ethnic groups, and even hurting themselves.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2021, 09:05:15 AM »
If you want the current race based cycle to end people will need to do that.

As religious Jews we should learn and think about black history but we don’t have to use our imagination. This is our reality. We have been murdered forever and it’s currently far more dangerous to be a religious Jew in the US than it is to be black, and it’s not close.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2021, 09:15:01 AM »
As religious Jews we should learn and think about black history but we don’t have to use our imagination. This is our reality. We have been murdered forever and it’s currently far more dangerous to be a religious Jew in the US than it is to be black, and it’s not close.
Not sure why you are bent on making this a you against them comparisons. This was to bring awareness to our ugly past that has been swept under the rug.

I am going to guess most blacks would disagree with your assessment of the dangers to both groups.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2021, 09:20:37 AM »
Reminds me of this that I recently saw.







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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2021, 09:33:26 AM »
As religious Jews we should learn and think about black history but we don’t have to use our imagination. This is our reality. We have been murdered forever and it’s currently far more dangerous to be a religious Jew in the US than it is to be black, and it’s not close.
How many Jews were arguably killed for being Jewish and how many blacks were arguably killed for being black?

My point with the word "arguably" is to avoid discussion of whether or not it was really for this or that reason.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2021, 10:28:44 AM »
Not sure why you are bent on making this a you against them comparisons. This was to bring awareness to our ugly past that has been swept under the rug.

I am going to guess most blacks would disagree with your assessment of the dangers to both groups.

I should admit this is the wrong thread for this conversation, so I apologize for that.  I was triggered by your statement about blacks nowadays as I feel that sentiment has gone way overboard.

I would like to respond to your last statement but better to continue the convo in a diff thread.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2021, 10:34:28 AM »
I was triggered by your statement about blacks nowadays as I feel that sentiment has gone way overboard.
If you feel that way it is a fair point and should be made even if I disagree.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2021, 01:10:07 PM »
The Tulsa Race Massacre and Oklahoma's Jews
https://blog.nli.org.il/en/lbh-tulsa/

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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2021, 01:23:55 PM »
The Tulsa Race Massacre and Oklahoma's Jews
https://blog.nli.org.il/en/lbh-tulsa/
WOW!!!
I learned something and hopefully other will also.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2021, 02:36:31 PM »
The Tulsa Race Massacre and Oklahoma's Jews
https://blog.nli.org.il/en/lbh-tulsa/
this is probably not widely known if at all

Would you say the black community, most of them knew about this?

and this i wonder about too


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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2021, 05:22:12 PM »
The Tulsa Race Massacre and Oklahoma's Jews
https://blog.nli.org.il/en/lbh-tulsa/
This is a great example of personal reality being different than a political and sociological discussion of racism. I believe that most frum people would do the same for their workers and neighbors today regardless of their political beliefs or opinions on racial issues.

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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2021, 06:26:30 PM »
it’s currently far more dangerous to be a religious Jew in the US than it is to be black, and it’s not close.

Er...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_talk_(racism_in_the_United_States)

(Also, I haven't heard much about violent Jew-on-Jew crime, though that's a rather different aspect.)
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2021, 06:39:34 PM »
Er...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_talk_(racism_in_the_United_States)

(Also, I haven't heard much about violent Jew-on-Jew crime, though that's a rather different aspect.)

We also get the talk, but of a different kind. But because I made a factual statement, here are the facts to back it up:
Jews were 2.7X more likely than blacks, 2.2X more likely than Muslims to be hate crime victim

And if we could narrow it down to attacks against the visibly Jewish US population, the rate would likely be 5-10x higher.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2021, 06:49:32 PM »
We also get the talk, but of a different kind. But because I made a factual statement, here are the facts to back it up:
Jews were 2.7X more likely than blacks, 2.2X more likely than Muslims to be hate crime victim

And if we could narrow it down to attacks against the visibly Jewish US population, the rate would likely be 5-10x higher.
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Re: The Tulsa Massacre!
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2021, 06:51:23 PM »


We also get the talk, but of a different kind. But because I made a factual statement, here are the facts to back it up:
Jews were 2.7X more likely than blacks, 2.2X more likely than Muslims to be hate crime victim

And if we could narrow it down to attacks against the visibly Jewish US population, the rate would likely be 5-10x higher.



How many Jews were arguably killed for being Jewish and how many blacks were arguably killed for being black?

My point with the word "arguably" is to avoid discussion of whether or not it was really for this or that reason.

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