Is Covid finally over in the USA

[Lurker]

What do you propose them to do? Don't think America has the appetite for masks and restrictions.

People have free choice. Not interested in more restrictions in the name of public safety? Get vaccinated. Otherwise, we all get to deal with the consequences.

[Dan]

I would be interested to see how successful the vaccine pop-up in Crown Heights was. One person who was contemplating getting the shot pulled the trigger (yes, intended) on a whim just passing by, but he and others told me it was empty.

Needs to give away free Izzys or parve cholent with every shot.

[TimT]

They were already calling him Sleepy Joe before he was elected. I don’t think it was known that R for Delta was ~double R for Alpha, or how high the R for Delta would be in populations with 50%+ fully vaccinated, which translates into much faster spread and a sharper increase in cases, so less time to act.

We’re a year & a half into this virus. Are we going to hear for every variant how they couldn’t have known ? Last year I kept hearing how DT wasn’t letting the experts do their job & if only we’d have someone else in charge. Now we have someone else in there & Fauci & whoever else is making big money off this have the freedom to do whatever needs doing. Where are they ?

[AsherO]

Needs to give away free Izzys or parve cholent with every shot.

Not sure free Pareve Cholent will convince @ExGingi to get his aged 12+ children vaxxed, they all had COVID after all, and this is just dirty politics.

[ExGingi]

Not sure free Pareve Cholent will convince @ExGingi to get his aged 12+ children vaxxed, they all had COVID after all, and this is just dirty politics.

My 25yo got vaccinated in hopes it would help him for Merkos Shlichus (not sure whether it was a requirement for a visa to Uzbekistan, but hopefully he should be getting his visa next week).

None of the other kids are interested, and I would definitely not encourage them to get it. Only reason to get it is if needed for political reasons (ability to travel more or less freely).

[AsherO]

My 25yo got vaccinated in hopes it would help him for Merkos Shlichus (not sure whether it was a requirement for a visa to Uzbekistan, but hopefully he should be getting his visa next week).

None of the other kids are interested, and I would definitely not encourage them to get it. Only reason to get it is if needed for political reasons (ability to travel more or less freely).

As predicted, Pareve cholent wouldn’t move the ExG needle

[avromie7]

People have free choice. Not interested in more restrictions in the name of public safety? Get vaccinated. Otherwise, we all get to deal with the consequences.

That's not free choice, that's called arm twisting.

[Iz]

That's not free choice, that's called arm twisting.

Sounds like Animal Farm.

[ExGingi]

As predicted, Pareve cholent wouldn’t move the ExG needle

Not any Pareve cholent. Maybe if I can get DW to start making it again...

[Lurker]

That's not free choice, that's called arm twisting.

Why is it arm twisting? Government is tasked with public safety. What they need to do to ensure that is dependant on the risk to the public. If people choose not to get vaccinated, and as a result, Covid poses a public safety risk, government needs to takes steps to reduce the risk of continued spread. If people take steps on their own to keep the risks down, government can stay out of it.

[avromie7]

Why is it arm twisting? Government is tasked with public safety. What they need to do to ensure that is dependant on the risk to the public. If people choose not to get vaccinated, and as a result, Covid poses a public safety risk, government needs to takes steps to reduce the risk of continued spread. If people take steps on their own to keep the risks down, government can stay out of it.

It's an ultimatum (at best), there is no freedom here.

[biobook]

Not any Pareve cholent. Maybe if I can get DW to start making it again...

@ExGingi   Could you ask her for the recipe?  DDFers want to know.  Just because you can't enjoy it right now doesn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer without it.

[Lurker]

It's an ultimatum (at best), there is no freedom here.

If you look at it like that, pretty much everything is an ultimatum and there is no true free choice. All actions have consequences.

[avromie7]

If you look at it like that, pretty much everything is an ultimatum and there is no true free choice. All actions have consequences.

In communist Russia they also had this freedom. Either do what we want or you disappear, it's your choice.

[Lurker]

In communist Russia they also had this freedom. Either do what we want or you disappear, it's your choice.

What's your point? That there is no true freedom, regardless of which system of government you have? Government itself is a consequence.

[avromie7]

What's your point? That there is no true freedom, regardless of which system of government you have? Government itself is a consequence.

My point is you can't call a government ultimatum "freedom". It's the antithesis of freedom.

[Yehuda57]

@ExGingi   Could you ask her for the recipe?  DDFers want to know.  Just because you can't enjoy it right now doesn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer without it.

Poor @biobook, joins DDF, helps out loads of people, provides thoughtful, sensitive insights into many conversations, and still can't get a simple cholent recipe that she's been asking for for months

[ExGingi]

@ExGingi   Could you ask her for the recipe?  DDFers want to know.  Just because you can't enjoy it right now doesn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer without it.

It mostly the special touch....

[TimT]

My point is you can't call a government ultimatum "freedom". It's the antithesis of freedom.

You have the freedom to drive a car, but you can’t be a danger to people around you, hence all the rules & regs. You have the freedom to walk outdoors but you can’t be a danger to those around you.

[Lurker]

My point is you can't call a government ultimatum "freedom". It's the antithesis of freedom.

We are a society ruled by laws. By your definition, there is no freedom ever, for anything.