Everything is about me!

[gozalim]

we all now believe @CountValentine didn't intend the thread title as an insult. there's no other way to read it but he's just not half as articulate as he is vocal.

absent another normal we to read it, and prior to his clarification today we all understood it as an insult. hence the 1st few pages of this thread were open season on using personal insults at CV without getting called out.

now we can go back to discussing hate crime statistics

[ltttc]

What different does it make if a black innocent child is killed by another black, white or jew?
It is more dangerous for a black growing up in the US than any other minority. No other minority even comes close.

Very often, the why and the how plays a big role. My point was, if you believe that it is more dangerous for blacks, let's explore why that is so? Are they being attacked because they are black -(that would be the case if it is done by others, such as whites...) Or is it because of some (bigger) issue.
To be more specific, if Jews would kill other Jews in the same proportion as blacks killing blacks, YES, it would absolutely be more dangerous for a Jew growing up.
(For the record, my doctor is someone I respect and trust, Oh, and he happens to be black)

[CountValentine]

My point was, if you believe that it is more dangerous for blacks, let's explore why that is so?

Go ahead and explore it all you want, I don't care.

I was challenging the statement that it is more dangerous for Jews. It seems everyone agrees it is more dangerous for blacks.

Yes I screwed up with my first post quoting the wrong post. I explained why but that falls on deaf ears.

[CountValentine]

now we can go back to discussing hate crime statistics

There is no disagreement on hate crimes.

[ltttc]

Go ahead and explore it all you want, I don't care.

My mistake, I thought you cared.

[whYME]

I explained why but that falls on deaf ears.

It falls on deaf ears because even though you explained your mistake in quoting that post, you keep ignoring that it answers your (straw man) question.

[ltttc]

It seems everyone agrees it is more dangerous for blacks.

Depends where. Where I live, jews feel more unsafe then blacks, so I guess it's very relative.

[CountValentine]

Depends where. Where I live, jews feel more unsafe then blacks, so I guess it's very relative.

We are talking overall. We are also going by stats and not feelings.

[ltttc]

We are talking overall. We are also going by stats and not feelings.

Go ahead and explore it all you want, I don't care.

Sure sounded like "feelings" more than stats

[CountValentine]

Sure sounded like "feelings" more than stats

Posted up thread: https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

[ltttc]

Posted up thread: https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

Didn't click on it but I get your point.

I still fail to see how you can separate the stats or the numbers from the why.

I actually do care and I think it really matters.

[CountValentine]

Didn't click on it but I get your point.

I still fail to see how you can separate the stats or the numbers from the why.

I actually do care and I think it really matters.

If you are talking about how to stop it you do need to know why first. If you are asking who is it more dangerous for you don't need to know why unless you want to spin it like some here.

[aygart]

Depends where. Where I live, jews feel more unsafe then blacks, so I guess it's very relative.

How do you know what they feel?

[ltttc]

If you are talking about how to stop it you do need to know why first. If you are asking who is it more dangerous for you don't need to know why unless you want to spin it like some here.

That's like asking "is it dangerous to walk"? You get most people to answer no, but you fail to say that you meant walking into oncoming traffic.

What's the point of saying it's more dangerous for blacks, blues or yellows without exploring why that is so?

[ltttc]

How do you know what they feel?

Unlike many, we occasionally talk about our feelings 

[yitzgar]

More dangerous is relative. A particular area might be more dangerous for a person of race x, but said person avoids that area for this reason, hence there is no statistics taking that into account.

[CountValentine]

More dangerous is relative. A particular area might be more dangerous for a person of race x, but said person avoids that area for this reason, hence there is no statistics taking that into account.

That's why you go by the stats we have.
Do you really want to explore why there is more hate crimes for religious Jews than other Jews? Talk about a can of worms. 

[aygart]

That's why you go by the stats we have.
Do you really want to explore why there is more hate crimes for religious Jews than other Jews? Talk about a can of worms. 

betcha can't do that without using stereotypes.

[Lurker]

That's why you go by the stats we have.
Do you really want to explore why there is more hate crimes for religious Jews than other Jews? Talk about a can of worms. 

Open it, I dare you.

[ltttc]

That's why you go by the stats we have.

It's like community x who has extreme issues amongst themselves and they murder each other...They scream to the world that it is dangerous for them simply to be alive and something must be done to stop this. However, there's a limit to how much others can help them if they don't fix their internal issues first.
Are the stats higher for community x? Sure.