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Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:30:50 PM »
Golden flow used to sell cultured buttermilk (green cardboard quart carton). But I haven't seen it anywhere in stores for the last couple of years at least. Anyone know what happened? Do they still make it? Are there alternative CY buttermilk options (Please don't say combining regular milk with vinegar. I'm talking about real cultured buttermilk, not milk with acid)?

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2021, 05:59:10 PM »
https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/homemade-butter-and-buttermilk-242047

Thanks, but this is a different product (what people refer to as "true buttermilk" as opposed to "cultured buttermilk")

True Buttermilk: The liquid byproduct of the butter making process. Cream contains a good percentage of fat. When agitated enough, the fat (butter) separates from the watery phase (true buttermilk) of the cream

Cultured Buttermilk: Milk that has been inoculated with a live culture (bacteria that produces lactic acid). The culture thickens the milk, and produces a delicious tart flavor, as well as enzymes that are beneficial for a host of things

TL/DR: I'm looking for the cultured buttermilk, not true buttermilk.

Thanks, though.

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2021, 04:40:29 PM »
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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2021, 08:09:02 PM »
Kreider farms makes a cultured buttermilk. I don't know much about this topic but This MAY be considered cholov yisroel, as all the milk that kreider farms sells MAY be considered by some as cholov yisroel as there is a yid living on premises. Won't be certified cholov yisroel though
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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2021, 09:03:52 PM »
Kreider farms makes a cultured buttermilk. I don't know much about this topic but This MAY be considered cholov yisroel, as all the milk that kreider farms sells MAY be considered by some as cholov yisroel as there is a yid living on premises. Won't be certified cholov yisroel though
are the cultures CY?

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2021, 05:17:11 PM »
Kreider farms makes a cultured buttermilk. I don't know much about this topic but This MAY be considered cholov yisroel, as all the milk that kreider farms sells MAY be considered by some as cholov yisroel as there is a yid living on premises. Won't be certified cholov yisroel though

Thank you! This is really interesting. They make a  line that is certified Cholov Yisroel by Star K called Pride of the Farm. However, it seems the cultured buttermilk is not produced on that line, and it would make sense that the reason is because of this:
are the cultures CY?

I wonder if whichever source Golden Flow used to use for a CY buttermilk culture is no longer available.

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2021, 05:20:16 PM »
Try contacting POTF?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2021, 05:40:58 PM »
Try contacting POTF?

Fair. Will do. Thank you Dan.

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2021, 06:04:46 PM »
Kreider farms makes a cultured buttermilk. I don't know much about this topic but This MAY be considered cholov yisroel, as all the milk that kreider farms sells MAY be considered by some as cholov yisroel as there is a yid living on premises. Won't be certified cholov yisroel though
Milk from Kreider farms is CY only if there is a Hebrew day (letter)  printed on the bottle.
Not sure if other products they make are CY (and would have such a letter) ...
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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2021, 07:45:47 PM »
Milk from Kreider farms is CY only if there is a Hebrew day (letter)  printed on the bottle.
Not sure if other products they make are CY (and would have such a letter) ...
False
Unless they have more then 1 farm
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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2021, 11:27:13 PM »
False
Unless they have more then 1 farm
What other products do Kreider farm make that is CY?
Are other products other than milk from POF (like ice cream) are from kreider?

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2021, 11:33:26 PM »
What other products do Kreider farm make that is CY?
Are other products other than milk from POF (like ice cream) are from kreider?
All pride of the farm products are kreider farms, just compare their packaging...

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2021, 11:36:03 PM »
All pride of the farm products are kreider farms, just compare their packaging...
plant # is a more accurate method but even that is not foolproof. Also, you'll see the Hebrew date code on most kreider products.

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2021, 11:40:23 PM »
plant # is a more accurate method but even that is not foolproof. Also, you'll see the Hebrew date code on most kreider products.
Are you saying that Kreider milk even with the Hebrew day may not be CY???
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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2021, 11:54:23 PM »
Are you saying that Kreider milk even with the Hebrew day may not be CY???
quite the opposite

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2021, 11:59:33 PM »
quite the opposite
That's what I thought...

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2021, 12:00:36 AM »
I recall seeing some kind of document that spelled out all the items from Kreider Farms that can be considered CY.
Am I dreaming? Could be it was even on DDF a number of years back.

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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2021, 12:01:37 AM »
Milk from Kreider farms is CY only if there is a Hebrew day (letter)  printed on the bottle.
Not sure if other products they make are CY (and would have such a letter) ...
In rare instances, the fluid milk production and the bottling facility are in the same location. Those dairies are known as Producer Packagers. There are only a few producer packagers in the U.S.; Pride of the Farm Cholov Yisroel is fortunate to be produced in such a facility. Furthermore, Pride of the Farm’s Producer Packager exclusively produces and bottles Cholov Yisroel. Most bottling facilities are not exclusive to Cholov Yisroel.


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Re: Cholov Yisroel Buttermilk?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2021, 01:41:46 AM »
quite the opposite
Thats what i heard
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