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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2021, 10:49:02 AM »
So scary. How often does this happen in the US for large buildings like this?
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2021, 11:01:38 AM »
So scary. How often does this happen in the US for large buildings like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_structural_failures_and_collapses

Seems pretty rare in the US.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2021, 11:03:05 AM »
I also thought "sinkhole" when I saw the news, but the ones I'd heard about before weren't near the coastline.  Here's one from a few years ago:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-florida-sinkhole/guests-saved-as-florida-resort-building-falls-into-sinkhole-idUSBRE97B0D520130812

Info on sinkholes from https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water-science-school/science/sinkholes?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects

Sinkholes are common where the rock below the land surface is limestone, carbonate rock, salt beds, or rocks that can naturally be dissolved by groundwater circulating through them. As the rock dissolves, spaces and caverns develop underground. Sinkholes are dramatic because the land usually stays intact for a while until the underground spaces just get too big. If there is not enough support for the land above the spaces, then a sudden collapse of the land surface can occur. These collapses can be small, or, as this picture shows, or they can be huge and can occur where a house or road is on top.

The most damage from sinkholes tends to occur in Florida, Texas, Alabama, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2021, 11:06:10 AM »
I also thought "sinkhole" when I saw the news, but the ones I'd heard about before weren't near the coastline.  Here's one from a few years ago:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-florida-sinkhole/guests-saved-as-florida-resort-building-falls-into-sinkhole-idUSBRE97B0D520130812

Info on sinkholes from https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water-science-school/science/sinkholes?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects

Sinkholes are common where the rock below the land surface is limestone, carbonate rock, salt beds, or rocks that can naturally be dissolved by groundwater circulating through them. As the rock dissolves, spaces and caverns develop underground. Sinkholes are dramatic because the land usually stays intact for a while until the underground spaces just get too big. If there is not enough support for the land above the spaces, then a sudden collapse of the land surface can occur. These collapses can be small, or, as this picture shows, or they can be huge and can occur where a house or road is on top.

The most damage from sinkholes tends to occur in Florida, Texas, Alabama, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania.
IME broken water or sewer pipes can cause real damage. 

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2021, 11:12:07 AM »
Source?

As far as rumors go, someone said sinkhole based on some police report earlier, l haven't seen that anywhere real though.

And one person said they were going to redo the roof and had just put equipment up there for the job. Building was about to undergo 40 year recertification. When I lived in a building like this they would drill into the concrete to see how bad the erosion was from the salt water over the years and reinforce the building based on that, so erosion definitely could happen with these buildings.

Barry Cohen, a survivor, was interviewed on TV, said that there was a building put up next door (I think he said 87 Park) in 2020, and during the construction they strongly felt the impact, including breaking tiles in their building. In addition they were working on the roof and every day they'd feel booming/shaking from the work being done. I think it's most likely caused by a variety of problems.
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2021, 11:21:27 AM »
Source?

3 min(s) ago
Miami-Dade County Commissioner Sally Heyman tells Fox News that as of 10 a.m. local time this morning, 51 people remain unaccounted for following the building collapse in Surfside.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2021, 11:23:55 AM »
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2021, 11:24:09 AM »
Gov. Ron DeSantis speaks on partial building collapse in Surfside, FL: "The first responders were able to save a lot of people. They are going to be going through more. It's a really, really tragic situation. We are bracing for some bad news given the destruction we are seeing"


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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2021, 11:26:13 AM »
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Bh many locals are opening their homes. And many more are dropping off pillows, blankets, clothing, food, games, soap, medicine etc.

Unfortunately as with all tragedies the outpouring of support is inspiring.
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2021, 11:27:38 AM »
Bh many locals are opening their homes. And many more are dropping off pillows, blankets, clothing, food, games, soap, medicine etc.

Unfortunately as with all tragedies the outpouring of support is inspiring.
Also The Shul said any of the locals buying anything for the displaced residences should keep receipts and it will all be reimbursed by The Shul.
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2021, 11:32:06 AM »
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2021, 11:32:30 AM »
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2021, 11:43:14 AM »
Who owns the property ?

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2021, 11:46:02 AM »
Who owns the property ?
It's condo from what I've heard

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2021, 11:47:27 AM »
chai wok, 26, the grove, and many many kosher Miami restaurants all sending food or reaching out to send food to the site.

People are staying near the site now as they all want updates asap, it seems. But they will work on places for them to move to as the day goes on.

Rebbetzin said in reply to people offering home:

I think at this point they will want to stay there until further information is given to them. We can revisit this in a little while.

And in reply to what's needed now:

Here’s the list to be brought to shul:
Water (lots and lots)
Cots or mats for people to ly on
Blankets
We need food for dinner (will keep posted as where)
Air mattress if anyone has sleeping bags
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2021, 12:00:33 PM »
chai wok, 26, the grove, and many many kosher Miami restaurants all sending food or reaching out to send food to the site.

People are staying near the site now as they all want updates asap, it seems. But they will work on places for them to move to as the day goes on.

Rebbetzin said in reply to people offering home:

I think at this point they will want to stay there until further information is given to them. We can revisit this in a little while.

And in reply to what's needed now:

Here’s the list to be brought to shul:
Water (lots and lots)
Cots or mats for people to ly on
Blankets
We need food for dinner (will keep posted as where)
Air mattress if anyone has sleeping bags
And will keep posted
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2021, 12:07:55 PM »
chai wok, 26, the grove, and many many kosher Miami restaurants all sending food or reaching out to send food to the site.

People are staying near the site now as they all want updates asap, it seems. But they will work on places for them to move to as the day goes on.

Rebbetzin said in reply to people offering home:

I think at this point they will want to stay there until further information is given to them. We can revisit this in a little while.

And in reply to what's needed now:

Here’s the list to be brought to shul:
Water (lots and lots)
Cots or mats for people to ly on
Blankets
We need food for dinner (will keep posted as where)
Air mattress if anyone has sleeping bags
And will keep posted
Is there a link to donate to help cover the immediate costs ?

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2021, 12:09:19 PM »
Is there a link to donate to help cover the immediate costs ?

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2021, 12:23:18 PM »
Is there a link to donate to help cover the immediate costs ?
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