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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #560 on: July 01, 2021, 09:50:53 AM »
Prevents collapse while workers are there, a collapse with 200+ workers there would be another catastrophic event, and collapse on top of the existing pile were survivors may be.

Whatever, it's silly talk just musing.
Even if it was doable, the ground shifting could destroy some of the voids which hopefully are holding survivors. Not to mention the pile further collapsing in.

There is no answer to this crisis.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #561 on: July 01, 2021, 10:01:39 AM »
Biden is in Surfside.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #562 on: July 01, 2021, 10:08:14 AM »
Even if it was doable, the ground shifting could destroy some of the voids which hopefully are holding survivors. Not to mention the pile further collapsing in. There is no answer to this crisis.
short of an open miracle all this talk of void and survivors is creating false hope..
See the CNN clip above with Col. Vach he said he has a little hope upto a week..

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #563 on: July 01, 2021, 10:11:17 AM »
short of an open miracle all this talk of void and survivors is creating false hope..
See the CNN clip above with Col. Vach he said he has a little hope upto a week..

For all the therapy that will be needed after this, a little more false hope won't add much to the trauma.
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #564 on: July 01, 2021, 10:14:49 AM »
short of an open miracle all this talk of void and survivors is creating false hope..
Which was created by the officials & which they continue to push.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #565 on: July 01, 2021, 10:23:08 AM »
Which was created by the officials & which they continue to push.

What's the downside of false hope?
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #566 on: July 01, 2021, 10:27:21 AM »
They claim to have heard noises during the night.

"Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Chief Alan Cominsky says the search and rescue efforts stopped around 2 a.m. based on concerns about “building stability” from engineers on scene.

The concerns included 6 to 12 inches of movement in a large column hanging from the structure that could fall and cause damage to other support columns in the garage area, and slight movement in concrete floor slabs in another part of the structure that “could cause additional failure of the building,” he says.

There also was movement recorded in the debris pile, Cominsky added."

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #567 on: July 01, 2021, 10:29:22 AM »
What's the downside of false hope?
Although I’m choosing my wording you should like my post.

There are two sorts of hope over here. 1. Statistically speaking after a week there’s no hope, but that’s only for the press. 2. As Jews we never give up, isn’t that why you say ANI MAMIN every day. Hashem has his ways wouldn’t be surprised to see a big miracle, something out of ordinary that will make a big Kiddush Hashem.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #569 on: July 01, 2021, 10:35:26 AM »
What's the downside of false hope?
Leading families to believe that they’ll be pulled alive & be reunited ? But at the same time saying it’s too dangerous to just move the concrete. Of course the families are mad not enough is being done quick enough.


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« Reply #570 on: July 01, 2021, 10:41:24 AM »
Leading families to believe that they’ll be pulled alive & be reunited ? But at the same time saying it’s too dangerous to just move the concrete. Of course the families are mad not enough is being done quick enough.

Leading family to believe that there's a chance of seeing their loved ones alive again? I don't see the downside. There will be time for mourning and grief if it's necessary. Until then, we keep it hope alive for a few more days. It's not as if this situation doesn't have an end in sight.
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #571 on: July 01, 2021, 10:49:03 AM »
Which was created by the officials & which they continue to push.
On Wednesday night they actually discovered voids- not manmade- and larger then what they believed was possible based on the pancake nature of the collapse.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #572 on: July 01, 2021, 10:54:56 AM »
On Wednesday night they actually discovered voids- not manmade- and larger then what they believed was possible based on the pancake nature of the collapse.
Which is fine but nobody should complain that we’re creating false hope here if this is exactly what the officials are doing publicly.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #573 on: July 01, 2021, 11:56:40 AM »
It’s not about hope. It’s family. If there’s even 0.001% chance that a relative can be rescued, the family should feel compelled to do everything they possibly can while there’s still a chance. This will also give them closure and avoid any guilty regrets.
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #574 on: July 01, 2021, 12:00:35 PM »
Biden went the police escort route on ground. Thanked first responders in a hotel lobby.

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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #575 on: July 01, 2021, 12:05:13 PM »
Thanked first responders in a hotel lobby.
St Regis, meeting families there too
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Re: Building Collapses in Surfside, FL, People Still Missing
« Reply #578 on: July 01, 2021, 01:02:35 PM »
if it can be done controlled. Which it probably can't.
The biggest hindrance is probably that it's too risky to send in the workers to set the proper charges.