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Windows 11
« on: June 24, 2021, 02:39:35 PM »
It looks like it will be a redesigned look, app store changes and some other small things. I didn't see anything of note. It's a free upgrade like windows 10.

The name just seems off to me

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2021, 07:11:19 PM »
Big (overdue) backend overhaul
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2021, 08:50:13 PM »
Sneak preview (dev release)


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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2021, 08:53:45 PM »
Big (overdue) backend overhaul
Such as?

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2021, 09:40:16 PM »
Such as?
new set of background images, next browser version and much more
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2021, 10:26:36 PM »
new set of background images, next browser version and much more

None of those are backend. @Yo ssi, what backend stuff are you referring to?

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2021, 01:05:43 AM »
None of those are backend. @Yo ssi, what backend stuff are you referring to?
I could be remembering wrong, but I thought I saw an article about it getting rid of loose ends left from windows of old, and tying things more seamlessly together. Which would help for everything from better driver support to better battery life and efficiency.
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2021, 01:08:01 AM »
I could be remembering wrong, but I thought I saw an article about it getting rid of loose ends left from windows of old, and tying things more seamlessly together. Which would help for everything from better driver support to better battery life and efficiency.

Sounds good, but what I initially found when I googled Windows 11 was that it was mostly UI-type changes with the same stuff under the hood as Windows 10, so I was surprised when I saw you said otherwise.

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2021, 01:20:40 AM »
Sounds good, but what I initially found when I googled Windows 11 was that it was mostly UI-type changes with the same stuff under the hood as Windows 10, so I was surprised when I saw you said otherwise.
Correct im having a hard time to understand why windows needs an OS update to update their browser, while google or anyone else manages to update the browser independently
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2021, 01:51:49 AM »
Sounds good, but what I initially found when I googled Windows 11 was that it was mostly UI-type changes with the same stuff under the hood as Windows 10, so I was surprised when I saw you said otherwise.
In my eye a graphic change is a small change, anyway I can't find now any similar article, so I could be mistaken.
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2021, 06:38:34 AM »
Correct im having a hard time to understand why windows needs an OS update to update their browser, while google or anyone else manages to update the browser independently

Hype
If it's not free shipping it's not worth it.

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2021, 07:56:32 AM »
thank GD microsoft isn't my home designer
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2021, 07:59:15 AM »
Correct im having a hard time to understand why windows needs an OS update to update their browser, while google or anyone else manages to update the browser independently

Especially after anti-trust and browser choice where many people switched to Chrome/FF because they were superior.

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2021, 11:01:48 AM »
Sounds good, but what I initially found when I googled Windows 11 was that it was mostly UI-type changes with the same stuff under the hood as DOS, so I was surprised when I saw you said otherwise.
FTFY
or at least Windows XP
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2021, 10:11:42 PM »
FTFY
or at least Windows XP

Not really. Lots and lots of low level changes since then. Thankfully Microsoft tries to keep compatibility so it's not noticeable to the end user.
Correct im having a hard time to understand why windows needs an OS update to update their browser, while google or anyone else manages to update the browser independently
New Edge doesn't need Windows Update. But there are some underlying stuff that gets used in Windows (equivalent of WebView in Android) that needs Windows Update to update it to use the new Edge and not IE.

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2021, 10:16:04 PM »
New Edge doesn't need Windows Update. But there are some underlying stuff that gets used in Windows (equivalent of WebView in Android) that needs Windows Update to update it to use the new Edge and not IE.
Correct as edge is chrome white labeled

I once heard that the reason windows needs an OS update to update the browser is because the GUI is based on IE, Similar to HTA
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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2021, 10:31:51 PM »
Correct as edge is chrome white labeled

I once heard that the reason windows needs an OS update to update the browser is because the GUI is based on IE, Similar to HTA
Chromium, not Chrome. And the GUI is not based on IE, but there are components that used to use IE.

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2021, 10:49:14 PM »
FTFY
or at least Windows XP


Itís more nuanced than that. Windows was built on top of DOS and architecturally and for backwards-compatibility a lot of those things stuck around. But itís not fair to say that Windows 10 is the same under the hood as pre-Windows (3.1) DOS, when computers have evolved so much in those 25+ years.

The comparison (or lack thereof) is to Windows 10 because thatís what many people are using now, and the question is whether to upgrade.

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Re: Windows 11
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2021, 10:54:14 PM »
Itís more nuanced than that. Windows was built on top of DOS and architecturally and for backwards-compatibility a lot of those things stuck around. But itís not fair to say that Windows 10 is the same under the hood as pre-Windows (3.1) DOS, when computers have evolved so much in those 25+ years.

The comparison (or lack thereof) is to Windows 10 because thatís what many people are using now, and the question is whether to upgrade.
Of course it is more nuanced than that, but the windows model is to evolve and not to rebuild. There may be only a few bits of DOS left but that is because they all evolved away.
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