Author Topic: Released Footage of NYC Rep. Mayor Candidate Curtis Sliwa on Orthodox Block Vote  (Read 3560 times)


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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/nyc-republican-mayoral-candidate-seen-slamming-orthodox-jews-in-2018-video/

https://ahblicklive.com/post.php?u_id=uOcjMv7yp1SjCNdQrVs

Doesn't look like he said anything that hasn't been said here 100 times already. He's just more animated about how much he dislikes it. Considering that anything that comes out of Curtis Sliwa's mouth is more animated... Not sure what the big deal is.
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Doesn't look like he said anything that hasn't been said here 100 times already. He's just more animated about how much he dislikes it. Considering that anything that comes out of Curtis Sliwa's mouth is more animated... Not sure what the big deal is.
He's a clown, but he is now the republican nominee for mayor. This will be the deal breaker for any orthodox Jew who votes republican.

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He's a clown, but he is now the republican nominee for mayor. This will be the deal breaker for any orthodox Jew who votes republican.

Nu? He loses less than 1k votes. Nothing changes. And ultimately, he isn't wrong. He doesn't even blame the communities he's talking about for what they're doing. He blames the system for making it possible, and acknowledges that anyone would do the same if they could.
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He’s very outspoken but honest about his opinions. If he sees something he doesn’t like he won’t pretend to not care & then backstab you. He’s criticized jews at jewish events where he was the speaker. And then immediately cracked jokes again. He’ll criticize but come to your defense in your time of need.

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He’ll criticize but come to your defense in your time of need.
When it fits his agenda, like safe streets.

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Nu? He loses less than 1k votes. Nothing changes. And ultimately, he isn't wrong. He doesn't even blame the communities he's talking about for what they're doing. He blames the system for making it possible, and acknowledges that anyone would do the same if they could.

He's 100% wrong. Non Jewish tax payers subsidize Jewish schools? It's the reverse.
"they don't vote like regular Americans" classic anti semitism.
"they're taking over your communities" - imagine a mayoral candidate saying that about black communities.

It's beyond sickening anyone would downplay this classic anti semitism

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When it fits his agenda, like safe streets.

But you know what his agenda is.
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He's 100% wrong. Non Jewish tax payers subsidize Jewish schools? It's the reverse.
"they don't vote like regular Americans" classic anti semitism.
"they're taking over your communities" - imagine a mayoral candidate saying that about black communities.

It's beyond sickening anyone would downplay this classic anti semitism

Context... He was talking to people in Orange and Rockland counties. The public school situation is very different there. And they don't vote like normal Americans. The average American votes as an individual, not a block.

Instead of screaming anti-Semitism, address the issues he brings up. If he's lying, there's something to the anti-Semitism claim. If he isn't, and we don't like the truths he says, the issue isn't with him.
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When it fits his agenda, like safe streets.
Which is something jews in NYC DESPERATELY need!!

I’m not endorsing him, just saying that you know what you’re getting with him. Too many come make nice with you for the money & endorsement & then let you know their true feelings once they’re in office.
He happens to have grown up with jews & has had good relations as a result. I don’t know what that translates into if he would be mayor, which he won’t.

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Context... He was talking to people in Orange and Rockland counties. The public school situation is very different there.

There's a long history there. The Jewish communities pay taxes and don't send their kids to the schools. So it's the exact reverse of what he says is happening. They had an unspoken agreement and school boards were run by non-Jews and money was set aside for bussing and special ed, etc. But then the boards cut all the funding, so the JEwish community said, "hey, don't do that. We pay a massive portion of the taxes that fund your schools. Let's go back to the way things were." They refused, and so the Jewish community voted in a new board so the board reflected the actual people paying the taxes.

And they don't vote like normal Americans. The average American votes as an individual, not a block.


This is one of the most annoying anti-Semitic canards. Voting maps can almost always be overlayed on demographic maps. When the entire Park Slope votes for a Socialist candidate, that's average Americans voting. When Crown Heights between EP & Lefferts votes for one candidate, that's "Voting as a Bloc™". No one has a problem with progressive JEws campaigning for Maya Wiley under an organization called "The Jewish Vote", neither does anyone have an issue with community organizing groups across the country that show ballot samples showing people how to vote for the African American friendly candidates. When anyone else does it, it is voting in their interests. When frum Jews do it, it is "voting as a bloc."

Instead of screaming anti-Semitism, address the issues he brings up. If he's lying, there's something to the anti-Semitism claim. If he isn't, and we don't like the truths he says, the issue isn't with him.

We're screaming anti Semitism because that's what it is. These claims are used against black communities, Latino communities, and Jewish communities. "They're gonna take over your neighborhood", "They don't pay their fair share", "Your taxes support them", and of course, "they are not like regular Americans" - ודתיהם שונות מכל עם

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They refused, and so the Jewish community voted in a new board so the board reflected the actual people paying the taxes.

Elections have consequences

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Context... He was talking to people in Orange and Rockland counties. The public school situation is very different there. And they don't vote like normal Americans. The average American votes as an individual, not a block.

Instead of screaming anti-Semitism, address the issues he brings up. If he's lying, there's something to the anti-Semitism claim. If he isn't, and we don't like the truths he says, the issue isn't with him.
Its bc of jews like you who answer for him, is why we still have anti semitism
It's like the reform jews that back omar, talib

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Its bc of jews like you who answer for him, is why we still have anti semitism
It's like the reform jews that back omar, talib

No. No it's not.

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There's a long history there. The Jewish communities pay taxes and don't send their kids to the schools. So it's the exact reverse of what he says is happening. They had an unspoken agreement and school boards were run by non-Jews and money was set aside for bussing and special ed, etc. But then the boards cut all the funding, so the JEwish community said, "hey, don't do that. We pay a massive portion of the taxes that fund your schools. Let's go back to the way things were." They refused, and so the Jewish community voted in a new board so the board reflected the actual people paying the taxes.

I won't claim to be any kind of expert on what happened in Rockland/Orange Counties. My limited understanding is that there was an agreement that was broken, and an overreaction the other way. FWIU, the current situation is very unfavorable to public schools. Swila's platform isn't against yeshivas. He's pro school choice. His issue is with the rules and regs that allow for manipulation of allocations and misuse of funds for the public school system. His platform is also targeting property tax reform, which ties in to schooling. He specifically has an issue with the abuse of the tax exempt system. It IS abused, and Jews ALSO abuse it. Ultimately, his line is: the problem isn't the people, it's the laws. You can't blame people for using the loopholes that are made available to them. We need to make proper and just laws with fewer loopholes.

This is one of the most annoying anti-Semitic canards. Voting maps can almost always be overlayed on demographic maps. When the entire Park Slope votes for a Socialist candidate, that's average Americans voting. When Crown Heights between EP & Lefferts votes for one candidate, that's "Voting as a Bloc™". No one has a problem with progressive JEws campaigning for Maya Wiley under an organization called "The Jewish Vote", neither does anyone have an issue with community organizing groups across the country that show ballot samples showing people how to vote for the African American friendly candidates. When anyone else does it, it is voting in their interests. When frum Jews do it, it is "voting as a bloc."

Are you seriously equating Jews campaigning for specific candidates to askonim promising tens of thousands of votes to politicians? United Crown Heights, or anyone else, has every right to knock on doors and try to convince people that certain candidates are in their best interest. No one has ever had a problem with that. There is no "bloc," even if they are all convinced to vote the same way. There is no negotiating with politicians in exchange for guaranteed votes. To my recollection, I don't think anyone has ever accused CH of bloc voting in recent history. Again, context is key. The people he's talking to are dealing with bloc voting, it's done exclusively by Jews in that specific area, and it almost exclusively goes against them. I don't know why we would expect him to talk about other people doing it if it's not applicable.

Personally, while I understand the frustrations, I don't have an issue with bloc voting. Tit-for-tat is the name of the game; always has been and always will be. I just have an issue with getting into bed with the devil because they promise us some government handouts. That some of us religiously vote for people who are so diametrically opposed to virtually all of our values... we reap what we sow.

We're screaming anti Semitism because that's what it is. These claims are used against black communities, Latino communities, and Jewish communities. "They're gonna take over your neighborhood", "They don't pay their fair share", "Your taxes support them", and of course, "they are not like regular Americans" - ודתיהם שונות מכל עם

Just because some of the things he said are also said by anti-Semites, that doesn't automatically make what he said anti-Semitic. His point isn't that Jews are bad. His point is that the system is flawed. He clearly says that if he was one of us, he'd absolutely do exactly what we do. Because the system allows for it. We "don't pay our fair share?" He was specifically talking about KJ, where 45% of the people live below the poverty line, compared to 13% in NYS as a whole. I have yet to see someone justify it. In that context, "our taxes do support them." Not just non-Jews. All taxpayers. And the "gonna take over your neighborhood" line isn't just used against Jews, or even minorities. It's the rallying cry against gentrification, too. It's a line against all and any change to the way things are. It's used because it's true. When people of different values move in to any area and change the makeup of the community and the demographics of the voting public, things change for everyone.

Look, maybe the guy is an anti-Semite. Maybe what he said was anti-Semitic. Maybe I'm pushing back here because I'm tired of any and all criticism, even legitimate issues, being automatically branded as Jew hate. People hate us, I get it. Not everyone does, though. And when issues are raised, even if they were used by anti-Semites in the past, we owe it to ourselves to examine if there is any truth to them before dismissing it as textbook anti-Semitism.
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i thought we had a Politics board

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Its bc of jews like you who answer for him, is why we still have anti semitism
It's like the reform jews that back omar, talib

I'm not answering for him. I don't know him. I'm listening to the words that he says, and I'm having a hard time disputing them. I may not agree with every point or conclusion, but that doesn't make him wrong or anti-Semitic.
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i thought we had a Politics board

This is racism, not politics  ;)
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Just because some of the things he said are also said by anti-Semites, that doesn't automatically make what he said anti-Semitic. His point isn't that Jews are bad. His point is that the system is flawed. He clearly says that if he was one of us, he'd absolutely do exactly what we do. Because the system allows for it. We "don't pay our fair share?" He was specifically talking about KJ, where 45% of the people live below the poverty line, compared to 13% in NYS as a whole. I have yet to see someone justify it. In that context, "our taxes do support them." Not just non-Jews. All taxpayers. And the "gonna take over your neighborhood" line isn't just used against Jews, or even minorities. It's the rallying cry against gentrification, too. It's a line against all and any change to the way things are. It's used because it's true. When people of different values move in to any area and change the makeup of the community and the demographics of the voting public, things change for everyone.
https://ojpac.org/updates/statistical-facts-about-income-poverty-among-hasidim

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https://ojpac.org/updates/statistical-facts-about-income-poverty-among-hasidim

That's a nice puff piece addressing very different issues (secular ed in yeshivos). Explaining why something is the way it is doesn't justify it.

Here's a theory you won't see OJPAC pushing: the poverty level is so high because they want it to be. How many salaries are manipulated to be lower in order to capitalize on handouts and programs? How many lifestyles are built on and around handouts and programs? If somehow the system was set up to reward those above the poverty level, I have no doubt that KJ would have one of the lowest poverty levels in the country. Overnight.
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