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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2021, 02:58:31 PM »
Who's this ?
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2021, 05:23:23 PM »
Progressive crowd collapse in Meron
Bleacher collapse in Karlin-Stolin
Cable car collapse in Italy
Building collapse in Surfside

All with multiple Jewish victims.

All this after the pandemic.
What's the lesson here? Is this Gd's way of reminding us to stop being so comfortable and complacent in this galus?
Because this is getting brutal already  :'( :'( :'(

in which the main cause of death was collapsed lungs or lack of oxygen

the theme hasn't changed

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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2021, 07:09:49 PM »
If I can put a different spin on the common theme-

They all occurred in seemingly picturesque situations or events and tragedy r”l struck from internal factors. Perhaps there’s a message here about externals- things looking perfect on the outside, yet the inside is rotting within..

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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2021, 08:31:30 PM »
I felt avinu malkeinu and the melody was more heartfelt today in shul than previous times.
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2021, 04:59:39 AM »
Ch"v. A rov said this?!!
What bothers you about it
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2021, 08:52:37 PM »

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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2021, 07:52:49 AM »
Not a reason just a powerful insight, told over by a Lakewood rov this Shabbos:

By default, everything should just collapse. But Hashem is constantly holding up the world, 24/7. Now we see what happens when Hashem leaves go for one second.
Similar idea said by Rav Moshe Sternbuch Shlita
Link to article:
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2021, 10:59:55 AM »
One theme we keep hearing through this collapse is how people said "These things don't happen in the US", well Hashem can make ANYTHING happen ANYWHERE!
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2021, 12:02:38 PM »
One theme we keep hearing through this collapse is how people said "These things don't happen in the US", well Hashem can make ANYTHING happen ANYWHERE!
But if someone goes in with that attitude always, than nothing would mean anything (So what a building collapsed, Hashem can do anything) or everything would mean everything (can you believe the sun came up today let's appreciate that for an hour and make a 1000 post thread about it etc), but having the attitude that these things don't happen is probably healthier, I don't think anyone is saying Hashem can't do it.

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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2021, 12:05:30 PM »
Not a reason just a powerful insight, told over by a Lakewood rov this Shabbos:

By default, everything should just collapse. But Hashem is constantly holding up the world, 24/7. Now we see what happens when Hashem leaves go for one second.
Why should everything collapse if it's built right? You mean everything shouldn't exist and it's all ex nihilo every moment? Do you think Hashem let go and didn't have an active hand in this?

Just not sure what default means.

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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2021, 12:12:25 PM »
But if someone goes in with that attitude always, than nothing would mean anything (So what a building collapsed, Hashem can do anything) or everything would mean everything (can you believe the sun came up today let's appreciate that for an hour and make a 1000 post thread about it etc), but having the attitude that these things don't happen is probably healthier, I don't think anyone is saying Hashem can't do it.


Most of the people saying it don't believe in Hashem, or at least in the Jewish view of it.

If it wouldn't be improbable then it wouldn't be a lesson to learn.
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2021, 12:12:42 PM »
Why should everything collapse if it's built right? You mean everything shouldn't exist and it's all ex nihilo every moment? Do you think Hashem let go and didn't have an active hand in this?

Just not sure what default means.

Sorry to nitpick.
Hashem is actively holding up the world every second.

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Even when we are not doing His will, it's still His will that keeps us alive.

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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2021, 12:13:43 PM »
Hashem is actively holding up the world every second.

תולה ארץ על בלימה

Even when we are not doing His will, it's still His will that keeps us alive.
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2021, 12:17:18 PM »
Most of the people saying it don't believe in Hashem, or at least in the Jewish view of it.

If it wouldn't be improbable then it wouldn't be a lesson to learn.
When tragedy strikes, I don't think atheists say, WOW there must be a G-d!

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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2021, 12:19:18 PM »
When tragedy strikes, I don't think atheists say, WOW there must be a G-d!

And the ones who believe in Hashem, yes it can be a good reminder.
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2021, 12:20:33 PM »
Hashem is actively holding up the world every second.

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Even when we are not doing His will, it's still His will that keeps us alive.
But holding up obviously mean creating. Not that buildings would collapse if Hashem stops holding them.

Famous story with iirc reb Yonoson Eibeschitz (could totally be someone else), was arguing with other clergy how G-d would destroy the world if he wanted to, one said a flood the other said fire, and Reb Yonoson said He would do nothing...
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Re: 4 Collapses In 2 Months, Where Do We Go From Here?
« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2021, 12:22:45 PM »
אין פורענות בא לעולם אלא בשביל...
I'm just saying the belief that Hashem can or cannot do this won't be changed by this happening, will it?

If someone doesn't believe in Hashem, this will strengthen that. If someone does believe in Hashem, they still do, hopefully we better ourselves, but I don't think Hashem's ability was in doubt by believers.

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