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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2021, 08:55:47 PM »
They should have an automated system when someone calls they get a text to the CID with this link
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?board=2.0
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2021, 09:58:45 PM »
Not sure what to say about that thread, quite disappointing tho.
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2021, 10:18:35 PM »
Iím very surprised. More than once Iíve called a local Chabad about a Minyan and the fellow was very happy that I did as we managed to arrange one where itís not usually guaranteed. Iím going to go out on a limb here and assume he doesnít speak for all shluchim.
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2021, 11:16:09 PM »
Having been on the other side of those conversations, I understand where he's coming from, but I also would say he definitely doesn't speak for all shluchim. Keep in mind he's a shliach on campus. He probably doesn't have a daily minyan, and likely doesn't even have one on shabbos when school is out.

Ain kan makom l'harich, but I will say that many, many shluchim are overwhelmed (and even abused) by frum vacationers treating them like a concierge. These people have busy jobs, and communities to cater to, in addition to their family lives. Please keep that in mind, and be respectful of it, when dealing with them.
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2021, 11:34:18 PM »

Ain kan makom l'harich, but I will say that many, many shluchim are overwhelmed (and even abused) by frum vacationers treating them like a concierge.
To be fair, there are some shluchim that rely on their "concierge" services to supplement their income/budget. So it's easy to understand why frum travelers have lumped them all together. I'm not defending it - I personally will only contact a shliach if they make it clear (website/advertising) that they offer food etc. in exchange  for remuneration.

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2021, 11:41:30 PM »
https://twitter.com/ezalmanov/status/1411833161613520897
See, he's not overwhelmed, he's just hurt that he has no minyan and it urks him that people call about it. 
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2021, 11:43:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/islandjew/status/1411821426726801412

So whats the issue here, the minyan or the restaurants?
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2021, 11:43:24 PM »
https://twitter.com/ezalmanov/status/1411833161613520897
This seems strange to me. In many of these places there can be a minyan on random days in the summer if there is a central place to track it.
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2021, 11:50:56 PM »
https://www.chabadnwind.com/shabbat-services

Can easily be solved if he makes a weekday page, 'currently there are no services and swipe up if interested you will receive an email confirmation once we reach nine interwsted partys'

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2021, 11:51:59 PM »
https://www.chabadnwind.com/shabbat-services

Can easily be solved if he makes a weekday page, 'currently there are no services and swipe up if interested you will receive an email confirmation once we reach nine interwsted partys'
There are a number of places that have such a system
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2021, 12:01:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/islandjew/status/1411821426726801412

So whats the issue here, the minyan or the restaurants?

These guys are in very different places, with very different jobs. You can't expect all of them to have the same issues, just like you can't expect all of them to provide the same services.

https://www.chabadnwind.com/shabbat-services

Can easily be solved if he makes a weekday page, 'currently there are no services and swipe up if interested you will receive an email confirmation once we reach nine interwsted partys'
There are a number of places that have such a system

This particular guy is in the middle of nowhere. His life is students. When people call, his mind isn't trying to work out how to track if there's enough people to make a minyan. This isn't something he's trying to solve. His focus is elsewhere.

The good news is, you found a solution for him, and one that may even result in minyanim being arranged. Pitch this app to the main Chabad.org site to have the app embedded in each Chabad House page. I think virtually all shluchim would be happy to do it.
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2021, 12:12:16 AM »
https://twitter.com/islandjew/status/1411821426726801412

So whats the issue here, the minyan or the restaurants?

Asking a Shliach to "send a minyan of shomrei shabbos to your resort" is not the same as asking if there is a minyan.

As for the OP, my guess is his frustration is at the shock and horror people express when they hear there is no minyan, and it is quite common for people to then ask the Shliach to gather a minyan because, "you must know people." Mind you, this is not for a chiyuv or anything of the sort.

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2021, 12:18:05 AM »
Not the same but reminds me of
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=96861.0

It would be nice to have a central DB with people planing on going to random places so they can arrange minyanim
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2021, 12:19:13 AM »
Every Chabad site I viewed has a "Synagogue" or " Shul Services" tab, with some basic information there.
I find it very helpful when there's a schedule clearly listed, or even just the words, sorry we do not have a daily Minyan, Shabos services only.
I don't think anybody would call if it's clearly spelled out.
The problem occurs when it says to call for minyan schedule, or that they have a seasonal Minyan without too much detail.
Or the main issue is, when it says, "new, our summer minyan runs from 07/01 5775... which makes you call in as well.

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2021, 12:23:01 AM »
Asking a Shliach to "send a minyan of shomrei shabbos to your resort" is not the same as asking if there is a minyan.

As for the OP, my guess is his frustration is at the shock and horror people express when they hear there is no minyan, and it is quite common for people to then ask the Shliach to gather a minyan because, "you must know people." Mind you, this is not for a chiyuv or anything of the sort.
It's a thread full of complain and condescending disses at the frum traveler, yes many may take advantage of chabad, but c'mon if this is the way you feel... I consider that thread a chilul hashem.
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2021, 12:23:32 AM »
Every Chabad site I viewed has a "Synagogue" or " Shul Services" tab, with some basic information there.
I find it very helpful when there's a schedule clearly listed, or even just the words, sorry we do not have a daily Minyan, Shabos services only.
I don't think anybody would call if it's clearly spelled out.
The problem occurs when it says to call for minyan schedule, or that they have a seasonal Minyan without too much detail.
Or the main issue is, when it says, "new, our summer minyan runs from 07/01 5775... which makes you call in as well.

You mean this

https://twitter.com/ezalmanov/status/1411835608700436481
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2021, 12:24:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/islandjew/status/1411821197080379392

What % of his clientele are tourists? Catering to tourists (no pun intended) could bankroll his local operations (happens a lot for Chabad rabbis in touristy places, maybe he should recognize those phone calls are an opportunity.
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