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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #300 on: July 18, 2023, 12:18:41 PM »
Is the information issue even mentioned in this article? I don't think that is a bother for Shluchim in the slightest, despite how this thread started. Those that get contacted about it, have the info on their sites, those that don't have it on their sites is because they aren't contacted about it.

The main issues are the expectations and lack of understanding of the role the shliach plays. Understanding that each shliach is self/locally funded and that the goal of the shliach in most cases is not to provide frum amenities will be helpful to travelers.

Couldn't agree more

I think most Shluchim, if they knew 10 men were coming, they'd be happy to do the work to make a Minyan (in fact they'd be thrilled).
If they had the funding and man power, they wish they could offer Kosher catering for locals and visitors alike.

It's the expectations, which as trivial as it may sound, is the real bother.

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #301 on: July 18, 2023, 12:20:21 PM »
Perhaps, it's just Shluchim having a hard time saying "we don't have..."
And when people make them say it again and again (instead of searching online), they kvetch.

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #302 on: July 18, 2023, 12:21:58 PM »
Perhaps, it's just Shluchim having a hard time saying "we don't have..."
And when people make them say it again and again (instead of searching online), they kvetch.
Hence my 2021 proposal. Win-win for everyone, no?
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #303 on: July 18, 2023, 12:54:13 PM »
Need to somehow merge Chabad Shluchim with rebshayebenrebmoshe.

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #304 on: July 18, 2023, 01:16:06 PM »
I Puerto Rico we purchased many advanced meals.. we also attended various minyanim. My friend was there longer than I and really enjoyed the shluchim. He left a $1800 donation

My point is, that it does go both ways at both times.

Many travellers have the means and rely on chabad without paying it forward

Many travellers do not have the means

Some travellers will give big donations

Also let's not even talk about connected families in chabad who bounce around the world staying at cousins... When I was younger I never could understand how 20 year olds could basically trapeze Europe and Israel free by crashing at cousins

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #305 on: July 18, 2023, 01:30:25 PM »

Also let's not even talk about connected families in chabad who bounce around the world staying at cousins... When I was younger I never could understand how 20 year olds could basically trapeze Europe and Israel free by crashing at cousins

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #306 on: July 18, 2023, 02:38:56 PM »

So doesn't include boys from Palo Alto?  :P

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #307 on: July 18, 2023, 02:42:25 PM »
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #309 on: July 18, 2023, 11:20:31 PM »

Also let's not even talk about connected families in chabad who bounce around the world staying at cousins... When I was younger I never could understand how 20 year olds could basically trapeze Europe and Israel free by crashing at cousins
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #310 on: July 19, 2023, 11:31:58 AM »


Hence my 2021 proposal. Win-win for everyone, no?

If it's a centralized listing, it won't help if people don't bother looking.

Also let's not even talk about connected families in chabad who bounce around the world staying at cousins... When I was younger I never could understand how 20 year olds could basically trapeze Europe and Israel free by crashing at cousins
What is there to talk about?
Are you for or against? Or impartial?

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #311 on: July 19, 2023, 11:38:15 AM »
I guess impartial

Shluchim are basically saying "dont leech off of us" and many family members are basically just crashing at shluchim


On the other hand, often the shluchim are in fact doing everything so what they do is their business.. I don't know

When we road tripped across America, we left every shliach $180 + we brought wine etc

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #312 on: July 19, 2023, 11:49:55 AM »
I guess impartial

Shluchim are basically saying "dont leech off of us" and many family members are basically just crashing at shluchim


On the other hand, often the shluchim are in fact doing everything so what they do is their business.. I don't know

When we road tripped across America, we left every shliach $180 + we brought wine etc

What does family staying by relatives houses have anything to do with Shluchim asking for some mentchlichkeit from the general public?
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #313 on: July 19, 2023, 11:51:04 AM »
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #314 on: July 19, 2023, 11:52:06 AM »
What does family staying by relatives houses have anything to do with Shluchim asking for some mentchlichkeit from the general public?

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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #317 on: July 19, 2023, 12:00:03 PM »
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Re: Please don't overwhelm our brothers
« Reply #318 on: July 19, 2023, 12:00:31 PM »
What does family staying by relatives houses have anything to do with Shluchim asking for some mentchlichkeit from the general public?

The argument is that shluchim are being funded by donors to do outreach etc and for communities

And then you have family members who treat chabad houses like a free hostel network... And yes many bring friends too.. that's how chabad youth and adults see the world cheap / free

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