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Suing Gun Producers
« on: July 09, 2021, 06:27:52 PM »
Just saw a text from Kol Haolam that a California court said that familys of victims of the Chabad of Poway shooting can sue the gun company and the store that sold the weapon.
This is disgusting, a gross overreach. Do you sue the car company and the dealership when you get hit by a car? What about suing a knife company and the home depot that sold the knife when you get stabbed?

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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2021, 01:09:08 AM »
Just saw a text from Kol Haolam that a California court said that familys of victims of the Chabad of Poway shooting can sue the gun company and the store that sold the weapon.
This is disgusting, a gross overreach. Do you sue the car company and the dealership when you get hit by a car? What about suing a knife company and the home depot that sold the knife when you get stabbed?

I guess the store could be liable if the sale wasn’t vetted properly, according to standard or legal procedures.

Same as with any controlled product, if the sale wasn’t done on the up and up they would be accountable for that, and could be sued for negligence (it would have to be proven).
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2021, 07:55:29 AM »
Do you sue the car company and the dealership when you get hit by a car? What about suing a knife company and the home depot that sold the knife when you get stabbed?
Is the primary purpose of a car or knife to kill?
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2021, 08:35:42 AM »
Is the primary purpose of a car or knife to kill?
Can you sue McDonald’s if you overeat?

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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2021, 08:51:46 AM »
Is the primary purpose of a car or knife to kill?
There are more deaths per car than deaths per gun in the US each year.

I suppose you can say cars are more intended for death than guns.
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2021, 10:46:19 AM »
There are more deaths per car than deaths per gun in the US each year.

I suppose you can say cars are more intended for death than guns.

How does the amount of deaths caused define the purpose of the product in question. Or will you say that guns are not designed to kill, they're simply designed for self-defense  ::)
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2021, 10:49:14 AM »
Is the primary purpose of a car or knife or gun to kill innocent people?
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2021, 11:09:27 AM »
How does the amount of deaths caused define the purpose of the product in question. Or will you say that guns are not designed to kill, they're simply designed for self-defense  ::)
That's definitely the primary reason they're sold.
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2021, 11:22:34 AM »
That's definitely the primary reason they're sold.
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2021, 11:24:11 AM »
How does the amount of deaths caused define the purpose of the product in question. Or will you say that guns are not designed to kill, they're simply designed for self-defense  ::)
Make a poll of gun owners. Was the primary reason they bought their gun to kill another human.

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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2021, 01:29:12 PM »
There are more deaths per car than deaths per gun in the US each year.

I suppose you can say cars are more intended for death than guns.
You can say anything you want.
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2021, 01:35:43 PM »
Seems many are confused about guns. You don't pull out a gun unless you intend to use. You don't put it away until you are done. Self defense situation is to neutralize the attacker/s. A PC way to say kill.
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2021, 01:40:18 PM »
Seems many are confused about guns. You don't pull out a gun unless you intend to use. You don't put it away until you are done. Self defense situation is to neutralize the attacker/s. A PC way to say kill.
And there's nothing wrong with it and there is no bad intention here just like when you use a car properly

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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2021, 01:57:44 PM »
And there's nothing wrong with it and there is no bad intention here just like when you use a car properly
The only point I am making is the primary purpose for each.
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2021, 03:35:15 PM »
The only point I am making is the primary purpose for each.
The one who has bad intentions by both is the one who gets hurt or the one that misuses what's in their control

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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2021, 03:37:55 PM »
The only point I am making is the primary purpose for each.
The point that you’re making isn’t relevant at all.
Why is it their problem if some people use it for evil purposes?
should a company that manufactures rat poison be responsible if someone uses it to kill people, just because it’s purpose is to kill?

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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2021, 03:51:37 PM »
The point that you’re making isn’t relevant at all.
My question was in response to the idiotic car comparison.
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2021, 03:51:50 PM »
And a chainsaw is meant to destroy
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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2021, 04:10:24 PM »
My question was in response to the idiotic car comparison.

His idiotic car comparison was in response to idiotic logic 🙄

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Re: Suing Gun Producers
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2021, 04:35:10 PM »
His idiotic car comparison was in response to idiotic logic 🙄
Except most of you doubled down on that stupidity.

I never commented on if they should be sued or not. This idiotic car comparison is brought up all the time. I am calling it out for what it is.

Now should the manufacture or seller be held liable? You can't have an honest discussion when that crap is brought up.

Liability is a crazy issue. For medications we have child resistant caps. Guns are way more dangerous but we have no child resistant features. Does that seem logical?   
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