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[CountValentine]

From someone who cares and fights for veterans!!!
Warning: Uses the "F" word.

[yuneeq]

The R's claim they support our military, but actions speak louder than words!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/veterans-group-slams-gop-senators-for-delaying-health-benefits-bill-we-will-hold-them-accountable/ar-AA10b0qa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=77d8b780f0d24766ab9eb4739816e522

Everyone quoted in the article supports spending the same amount of money on the military. Some are concerned with an alleged technical issue that arises- additional wasted spending - that they believe needs to be fixed, and now’s a better time to fix it than after the bill passing. If they can’t fix it in a timely manner it would be reasonable to get upset.

Personally speaking, I haven’t read the bill, and don’t claim great understanding of burn pit hazards but it seems like they will be taking way, way more liability than needed. Burn pits are thought to possibly/likely increase the chance of contracting very common issues such as  “heart disease, asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), lung cancer, and an overall increased risk of death”. However the links are not fully there, and even if there was, no one knows who was actually exposed, how much exposure they received, what they received exposure to, or how much exposure would likely cause issues.

I believe that there are definitely some vets that were harmed by the burn pits and they deserve full support and then some. But how do we identify these people- we can’t. So we give money to 100 vets because 1 was harmed? Also seems unfair but there’s currently no better way to give those that deserve it. Are there any better solutions?

I am trying to figure out what their reasoning was but can't find anywhere discussing what they say about it. Do you have any links?

The article itself along with 2 links in the first sentence

[aygart]

There is a disagreement on what the bill does. R's claim it allows Democrats to spend another $400 billion on programs unrelated to veterans. The problem is they have nothing to back it up that I have seen.

Them fist bumping each other after the bill was defeated was not a good site. Is it just me or are they really trying to lose their sure win in the mid-terms?

Everyone quoted in the article supports spending the same amount of money on the military. Some are concerned with an alleged technical issue that arises- additional wasted spending - that they believe needs to be fixed, and now’s a better time to fix it than after the bill passing. If they can’t fix it in a timely manner it would be reasonable to get upset.

Personally speaking, I haven’t read the bill, and don’t claim great understanding of burn pit hazards but it seems like they will be taking way, way more liability than needed. Burn pits are thought to possibly/likely increase the chance of contracting very common issues such as  “heart disease, asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), lung cancer, and an overall increased risk of death”. However the links are not fully there, and even if there was, no one knows who was actually exposed, how much exposure they received, what they received exposure to, or how much exposure would likely cause issues.

I believe that there are definitely some vets that were harmed by the burn pits and they deserve full support and then some. But how do we identify these people- we can’t. So we give money to 100 vets because 1 was harmed? Also seems unfair but there’s currently no better way to give those that deserve it. Are there any better solutions?

The article itself along with 2 links in the first sentence

Looks like mostly accounting and technical issues. Anything to back up why these changes would cause rationing?

[yuneeq]

Big nothing burger
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/politics/chuck-schumer-burn-pits-vote-republican-frustration/index.html

“While the bill remains stalled after a procedural vote failed on Wednesday, Republican Whip John Thune predicted it ultimately will pass with a large number of GOP votes even if Republicans don't get the changes they are seeking.
…
Sen. Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican, has been pushing for an amendment focused on the funding for the bill for several weeks, placing a hold on the legislation before the July 4 recess. He wants to change it so the funding of the bill is handled through the annual appropriations process instead of being mandatory spending as the Democrats have structured it in the bill.
"I've been raising this since June," he told CNN”

[CountValentine]

Big nothing burger

Except they are getting hammered over this.

[yuneeq]

Except they are getting hammered over this.

That's politics. Make it about hating vets or some other nonsense. Score whatever points you can.

[CountValentine]

That's politics. Make it about hating vets or some other nonsense. Score whatever points you can.

Fist bumping on the floor after defeating the vote sure looks like they are not for the vets.
Support our military until they get sick. Most would not call that a nothing burger.

Now we can argue all day long about the bill but that doesn't change what happened.

[yuneeq]

Fist bumping on the floor after defeating the vote sure looks like they are not for the vets.
Support our military until they get sick. Most would not call that a nothing burger.

Now we can argue all day long about the bill but that doesn't change what happened.

Do you care about the vets or do you care about optics? if amending the bill is better for the country while still giving vets the exact same support, I don't see a problem.
For me it will be an issue if they don't get something done in the next month or 2. Better to be a bit thorough than to rush a bill that spends hundreds of billions.

[CountValentine]

Do you care about the vets or do you care about optics? if amending the bill is better for the country while still giving vets the exact same support, I don't see a problem.
For me it will be an issue if they don't get something done in the next month or 2. Better to be a bit thorough than to rush a bill that spends hundreds of billions.

Not going to argue the bill as that will get us nowhere. If you care about the vets, then listen to those who actually care about the vets and not the politicians.

[yuneeq]

Not going to argue the bill as that will get us nowhere. If you care about the vets, then listen to those who actually care about the vets and not the politicians.

Those that care about the vets are not relevant to the bill process. They wanted this passed decades ago and of course will prefer not even a second delay even if it meant passing an extremely bloated bill that included random things in it (I'm not saying that's happening here). Everyone agrees to give the funding, let them do it right. There's a procedure in place for a reason.

[CountValentine]

They had years to get it right even under a R administration. The time for talk is over. Let's stop the BS.
Give the vets what they deserve, NOW!!!

[ckmk47]

https://youtube.com/watch/?v=IuuYl_zXjUw
Ben Shapiro explains the accounting tricks starting just after 15:00

[CountValentine]

Ben Shapiro explains the accounting tricks starting just after 15:00

So him using ZipRecruiter is an accounting trick? 

[CountValentine]

Is it becoming the party of the ...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-backed-arizona-candidate-says-he-won-t-concede-if-he-loses-on-tuesday/ar-AA10bIQB?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0ee6a1f55b174cfe8f3f8444fb79e9ee

[CountValentine]

Except they are getting hammered over this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/veterans-have-been-camping-out-on-the-capitol-steps-after-gop-blocks-burn-pit-bill/ar-AA10c47w?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0ec029b1e6754eb78dc2ba227af015f0

[CountValentine]

What does it say about the party when they can't support a true R?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-voters-tell-cnn-hell-no-absolutely-not-when-asked-if-they-will-support-liz-cheney/ar-AA10cpFQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=afcf5a280b5446178d254bf5b3e7c2eb

[CountValentine]

Except they are getting hammered over this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-senators-are-starting-to-freak-out-after-blocking-the-veterans-health-bill/ar-AA10dAJK?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c4d7d05719b34d87936b78865de073ee

[yuneeq]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-reverse-course-as-senate-passes-burn-pits-legislation-after-days-of-pressure/ar-AA10eUhB

So the R’s voted to approve as predicted. So didn’t get what they wanted but still got all the flak. Bad strategy overall.

[CountValentine]

So the R’s voted to approve as predicted.

Didn't you predict they were going to fix it?
All they did was waste time because there was nothing to fix.

[yuneeq]

Didn't you predict they were going to fix it?
All they did was waste time because there was nothing to fix.

Nope.

Big nothing burger

“While the bill remains stalled after a procedural vote failed on Wednesday, Republican Whip John Thune predicted it ultimately will pass with a large number of GOP votes even if Republicans don't get the changes they are seeking.

And agree they wasted time, but disagree/unsure that there was nothing to fix.