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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2021, 11:32:01 AM »
And again.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/bidens-gift-to-putin-on-nord-stream-2-11621452707

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-waiving-sanctions-nord-stream-2-pipeline-ceo-company-report-2021-5

I'm noticing a theme. What does Putin have on Biden?
To those who aren’t aware, Germany threatened to create an alternative global financial system if the US attempted to impose sanctions on German banks and companies in connection with the Nord Stream.
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2021, 09:07:03 AM »

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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2021, 03:18:38 AM »
To those who aren’t aware, Germany threatened to create an alternative global financial system if the US attempted to impose sanctions on German banks and companies in connection with the Nord Stream.

Details?
Isn't that what China and Russia are constantly endeavoring to do regardless, and it isn't panning out?

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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2021, 07:49:09 AM »
Details?
Isn't that what China and Russia are constantly endeavoring to do regardless, and it isn't panning out?

The pipeline is a direct attack on Germany, as blocking it will cause higher energy costs for most German consumers. They wouldn't have let it slide. China doesn't really want a role in a global financial system, they have capital controls to devalue their currency and don't allow it to float freely.


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A senior German government official said, in response to the pipeline sanctions, that Germany would make a renewed European push to build a firewall against U.S. sanctions when it takes over the EU’s rotating presidency next year.

One goal would be to create a separate financial infrastructure that would allow European companies to escape the scope of U.S. sanctions. The banks involved would have to be based in jurisdictions out of the U.S.’s reach, such as China or possibly Russia, the official said.

“Washington is treating the EU as an adversary. It is dealing the same way with Mexico, Canada, and with allies in Asia. This policy will provoke counter-reactions across the world,” this official said.

Some European officials have even toyed with the idea of adopting sanctions of their own against the U.S., for instance to deter policies they think endanger the environment.

“What if the EU parliament would sanction the Keystone pipeline on environmental grounds,” a senior German diplomat asked, speaking to The Wall Street Journal this week, in reference to the oil pipeline connecting Canada and the U.S. that has been opposed by environmentalists in both countries.

Building a shield against U.S. sanctions is difficult because of the size of the U.S. economy, the role of the dollar in international transactions, and the fact that the U.S. has control over much of the world’s financial plumbing.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-calls-for-european-firewall-against-u-s-sanctions-11577459502

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Between the lines: This planned move also sets up a bizarre situation in which the Biden administration will be sanctioning ships involved in the building of Nord Stream 2 but refusing to sanction the actual company in charge of the project.

Sources close to the situation say that top Biden officials have determined that the only way to potentially stop the project — which is 95% complete — is to sanction the German end users of the gas.
And the Biden administration is not willing to rupture its relationship with Germany over Nord Stream 2.
https://www.axios.com/nord-stream-sanction-biden-russia-f6db2ae3-2c89-4343-b326-9f399d674077.html

Of course, nobody here is bothered that the first 95% of the pipeline was built under Trump before he imposed his sanctions on Jan 19 2021...
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2021, 08:23:14 AM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2021, 08:24:38 AM »
grrr
Ouch. Fixed. Didn't finish waking up yet...
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2021, 08:24:59 AM »
Ouch. Fixed. Didn't finish waking up yet...
:)
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2021, 08:29:02 AM »
Ouch. Fixed. Didn't finish waking up yet...
Vat's wrong mit dat?

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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #69 on: May 24, 2021, 08:53:07 AM »
The pipeline is a direct attack on Germany, as blocking it will cause higher energy costs for most German consumers. They wouldn't have let it slide. China doesn't really want a role in a global financial system, they have capital controls to devalue their currency and don't allow it to float freely.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-calls-for-european-firewall-against-u-s-sanctions-11577459502
https://www.axios.com/nord-stream-sanction-biden-russia-f6db2ae3-2c89-4343-b326-9f399d674077.html

Of course, nobody here is bothered that the first 95% of the pipeline was built under Trump before he imposed his sanctions on Jan 19 2021...
Of course such important reasons never stopped anyone from saying similar things about Trump. Of course all the partisan hacks can come up with a million reasons why Trump was worse or Biden was worse.
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2021, 08:58:43 AM »
Of course such important reasons never stopped anyone from saying similar things about Trump. Of course all the partisan hacks can come up with a million reasons why Trump was worse or Biden was worse.
This is a full blown German project. There are plenty of sanctions that could've been imposed against Russian aggression without direct impact on Europe.

Hiding between 'hacks on both sides' is an attempt to avoid judging the actual merits.
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2021, 09:46:39 AM »
This is a full blown German project. There are plenty of sanctions that could've been imposed against Russian aggression without direct impact on Europe.

Hiding between 'hacks on both sides' is an attempt to avoid judging the actual merits.
I will openly admit that I did not put even one ounce of effort into reviewing the merits. When every single person says EXACTLY what they would be expected to say that leads in one direction only.
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2021, 09:50:50 AM »
I will openly admit that I did not put even one ounce of effort into reviewing the merits. When every single person says EXACTLY what they would be expected to say that leads in one direction only.
Cataloging positions is a convenient way of shifting the conversation away from the actual point.

The prosecutor and defender will usually say 'EXACTLY what they would be expected to say', yet sometimes one is right and sometimes the other, and the fact that they each represent their position does nothing to change that.
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2021, 10:07:25 AM »
Cataloging positions is a convenient way of shifting the conversation away from the actual point.

The prosecutor and defender will usually say 'EXACTLY what they would be expected to say', yet sometimes one is right and sometimes the other, and the fact that they each represent their position does nothing to change that.
Yeah if it was something really worth researching I would, but until then Just as Sally Cohen and Sean Hannity are worthy of having their opinions of whether or not something was malicious or makes sense ignored so are others-very often yours.
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2021, 02:03:12 PM »
There are plenty of sanctions that could've been imposed against Russian aggression without direct impact on Europe.

The sanctions were passed specifically in order to stop this pipeline. The reason Russia wants this pipeline is in order to bypass Ukraine, so that they can cut off gas supply to Ukraine without pissing off the rest of Europe.

This is a gift to Putin, and makes Russia stronger and NATO weaker.

Trump stood up to Putin and Merkel, and Biden caved to them. I don't think it's because Putin "has something on him", but we all know that if Trump had done anything similar you wouldn't be making excuses for him...

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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2021, 02:09:36 PM »
The sanctions were passed specifically in order to stop this pipeline. The reason Russia wants this pipeline is in order to bypass Ukraine, so that they can cut off gas supply to Ukraine without pissing off the rest of Europe.

This is a gift to Putin, and makes Russia stronger and NATO weaker.

Trump stood up to Putin and Merkel, and Biden caved to them. I don't think it's because Putin "has something on him", but we all know that if Trump had done anything similar you wouldn't be making excuses for him...

95% of this pipeline was built under Trump. Sounds more like he conned you into thinking he 'stood up' to them.

Sanctions against Germany are a self defeating move.
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2021, 08:00:44 AM »
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The pipeline is a direct attack on Germany, as blocking it will cause higher energy costs for most German consumers. They wouldn't have let it slide. China doesn't really want a role in a global financial system, they have capital controls to devalue their currency and don't allow it to float freely.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-calls-for-european-firewall-against-u-s-sanctions-11577459502
https://www.axios.com/nord-stream-sanction-biden-russia-f6db2ae3-2c89-4343-b326-9f399d674077.html

Of course, nobody here is bothered that the first 95% of the pipeline was built under Trump before he imposed his sanctions on Jan 19 2021...
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Re: US vs Russia
« Reply #78 on: June 17, 2021, 08:58:58 AM »
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“Another area we spent a great deal of time on was cyber and cybersecurity,” Biden said. “I talked about the proposition that certain critical infrastructure should be off limits to attack — period — by cyber or any other means. I gave them a list, if I’m not mistaken — I don’t have it in front of me — 16 specific entities; 16 defined as critical infrastructure under U.S. policy, from the energy sector to our water systems.”

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