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Re: I'm Just Thinking
« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2023, 08:19:03 AM »
there is a ptur from Purim damages because the person is osek bsimcha shel mitzvah.
This is brought in Halacha, but it's only Purim. My post was referring to other times.

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Re: I'm Just Thinking
« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2023, 08:37:38 AM »
The crime is choosing to get drunk in the first place without ensuring there are safeguards in place.

If a person sleep walks and damages or hurts property or people in their sleep, should they be liable?

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Re: I'm Just Thinking
« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2023, 08:57:00 AM »
. I, however, argued that when a person gets drunk, ALL kailim in the city are considered "etzlo" - near him. Because unlike a sleeping person who lacks mobility, a drunk person is mobile, and even though he's no longer a bar daas, he put himself in that situation where he can damage everything in his city.
The argument would be that he’s considered a shota, which isn’t the case of a sleeping person.

The bach in a tshuva, in response to someone trying to absolve himself of damages because he was drunk, says this:
The crime is choosing to get drunk in the first place without ensuring there are safeguards in place.

Wondering if this is the logic from a secular law perspective. I assume it’s along those lines.

This would be interesting to know what secular law should say about:
If a person sleep walks and damages or hurts property or people in their sleep, should they be liable?

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Re: I'm Just Thinking
« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2023, 09:11:04 AM »


the logic from a secular law perspective.

Lol
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: I'm Just Thinking
« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2023, 09:16:01 AM »
The crime is choosing to get drunk in the first place without ensuring there are safeguards in place.
Exactly! Just like someone choosing to go to sleep in a place he can damage.

If a person sleep walks and damages or hurts property or people in their sleep, should they be liable?
I think it would depend on if he's prone to sleepwalking.

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Re: I'm Just Thinking
« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2023, 09:17:43 AM »
Yes, I meant to write, "If a person often sleepwalks, and..."

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Re: I'm Just Thinking
« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2023, 09:20:40 AM »
I think it would depend on if he's prone to sleepwalking.
According to the Rishonim that even אונס גמור  is liable I don’t see why it should make a difference

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