Author Topic: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"  (Read 8467 times)

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #122 on: July 21, 2021, 09:02:05 AM »
This is where it starts to get interesting: https://www.jta.org/2021/07/20/united-states/how-us-laws-against-israel-boycotts-could-hit-ben-jerrys

Unilever's stock is down about 1% in the last few days - but I don't necessarily know that the B&J thing is fueling it. However if state AGs take action - non-renewal of B&J contracts for college food service, highway rest stops, or divestment of unilever from pension funds - we might see it really tanking.


Three other Random thoughts:
- With a simple press release, B&J just got a lot of "free" publicity. The question is, do they make more money from appeasing the woke BDS Community than they lose by alienating the jews?
- As has been stated earlier - the whole thing is disingenuous - non-renewal of a contract doesn't mean they've stopped selling, and how can they guarantee that they will continue to sell in Israel proper and not what they consider "occupied territory" until they find a partner willing to do so.
- It seems that when Unilever bought B&J, they had an arrangement to allow the B&J's board to make decisions when it came to their social agenda. I wonder how that relationship survives now.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #123 on: July 21, 2021, 11:37:35 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-kosher-authority-delists-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-over-west-bank-ban/

Although I would personally support a boycott, I have mixed feelings about kashrus organizations certifying/recommending products based on a company's ethics, as it's not really directly related to kashrus. Obviously pulling them from a list of recommended products is a bit less than actually revoking a hechsher, but I still think this is unclear.

I'm sure this has been discussed before, maybe about certifying marijuana products, establishments with non-tznius waitresses/entertainment (I think that's a bigger debate amongst the chareidi hechsherim in Israel) or other non-kashrus aspects of an establishment, but I feel like this—unlike the other examples I listed—really doesn't affect the religious observance of the consumer in any way so maybe kashrus agencies should stay away from providing an opinion. I'm not sure...

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #124 on: July 21, 2021, 11:40:19 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-kosher-authority-delists-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-over-west-bank-ban/

Although I would personally support a boycott, I have mixed feelings about kashrus organizations certifying/recommending products based on a company's ethics, as it's not really directly related to kashrus. Obviously pulling them from a list of recommended products is a bit less than actually revoking a hechsher, but I still think this is unclear.

I'm sure this has been discussed before, maybe about certifying marijuana products, establishments with non-tznius waitresses/entertainment (I think that's a bigger debate amongst the chareidi hechsherim in Israel) or other non-kashrus aspects of an establishment, but I feel like this—unlike the other examples I listed—really doesn't affect the religious observance of the consumer in any way so maybe kashrus agencies should stay away from providing an opinion. I'm not sure...
I'm sure Badatz Eida charedis wouldn't pull their certification over this.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #125 on: July 21, 2021, 11:54:48 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-kosher-authority-delists-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-over-west-bank-ban/

Although I would personally support a boycott, I have mixed feelings about kashrus organizations certifying/recommending products based on a company's ethics, as it's not really directly related to kashrus. Obviously pulling them from a list of recommended products is a bit less than actually revoking a hechsher, but I still think this is unclear.

I'm sure this has been discussed before, maybe about certifying marijuana products, establishments with non-tznius waitresses/entertainment (I think that's a bigger debate amongst the chareidi hechsherim in Israel) or other non-kashrus aspects of an establishment, but I feel like this—unlike the other examples I listed—really doesn't affect the religious observance of the consumer in any way so maybe kashrus agencies should stay away from providing an opinion. I'm not sure...


People already consider hechsherim a political matter, removing a hechsher for politics and not halacha will harm hechsherim more than it will harm B&J.

The KA move is just publicity. They aren't removing their hechsher, it's not under their hashgacha in the first place. They just aren't publishing it as approved and they're pushing the products they certify.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #126 on: July 21, 2021, 11:57:45 AM »
I'm sure Badatz Eida charedis wouldn't pull their certification over this.
But they can now call it Cholov Yishmoel.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #127 on: July 21, 2021, 12:33:20 PM »
bluestrings had a good tweet about this, saying that nobody should pull any kashrus certifications.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #128 on: July 21, 2021, 01:20:00 PM »
bluestrings had a good tweet about this, saying that nobody should pull any kashrus certifications.
Wouldn't want to give these up


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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #129 on: July 21, 2021, 01:21:21 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #130 on: July 21, 2021, 01:24:17 PM »
Wouldn't want to give these up


These are gross. Taste like lumps of sugar.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #131 on: July 21, 2021, 01:33:33 PM »
These are gross. Taste like lumps of sugar.
Are they gross or do they taste like lumps of sugar?   :P
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #132 on: July 21, 2021, 01:35:11 PM »
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #133 on: July 21, 2021, 01:38:04 PM »
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #136 on: July 21, 2021, 08:26:05 PM »
Chalav Yisrael, move out of the way....BDS, here we come...  :)


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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #137 on: July 21, 2021, 09:57:02 PM »
https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2021/07/should-kashrus-orgs-remove-hashgacha.html

That would be an awful idea. Why would a kashrus organization want to be in the position of giving an implicit haskama to the politics of every company that they certify.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
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