Author Topic: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"  (Read 78843 times)

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The problem is if it works out for the better for B&J and incentivizes others to do the same.
Why do you think that would happen, and how would they attribute it to this?

I think the risk of allowing everyone know they can boycott Israel with impunity because of a bunch of screaming crazies is worse.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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The problem is if it works out for the better for B&J
How so ? If everyone just sat quiet then B&J would certainly win & you can bet others would follow
and incentivizes others to do the same.
What’s the chances of a Unilever or the like ever buying another company with such a clause ?

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How so ? If everyone just sat quiet then B&J would certainly win & you can bet others would follow

If everyone sat quiet, it might've passed without too many people noticing. Now that we doubled down and raised the bet - if their sales increase, it will be a greater incentive for others.

If you believe everybody hates the Jews, it follows that more people would be happy about it...
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #183 on: July 23, 2021, 11:16:54 AM »
If everyone sat quiet, it might've passed without too many people noticing. Now that we doubled down and raised the bet - if their sales increase, it will be a greater incentive for others.

If you believe everybody hates the Jews, it follows that more people would be happy about it...
How many people do you think will actually make their Ice Creams choices differently out of anti-semitism?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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7,000,000,000 > 6,000,000

Yawn. That's clever as a snippy response, but it's a defeatist attitude based on conjured neurosis rather than the real world. This is not about Eisav soneh es Yaakov, it's economics. Look no further than the Abraham Accords to see your 7b number disintegrate.

BDS has been at it for years and years. If that 7b number was accurate, they would have been far more successful. B&J is the most high-profile case of a BDS success, and even this doesn't boycott Israel.

B&J is one of the most progressive companies around - is there another that included a similar activism clause in a $300 million deal? And yet even they had been unsuccessful in their attempts to enact BDS, not for lack of desire. And even now, they announced it without a concrete plan on how they plan on enacting it when their current contract ends, and it was announced under immense pressure! Unilever is clearly pissed and trying its utmost to do damage control. As things stand, can you envision a blue-chip company following B&J?

If BDS is successful, it could spell economic doom for Israel. That's why Israeli politicians are seemingly over-reacting to moves like B&J's. You have to fight back hard to make sure any company watching sees BDS as a risk rather than an opportunity. Other companies aren't like B&J, they don't care about the cause, they just want to do what will make customers happy, which is why they try out-woke each other. If you make the woke path riskier, that will prevent them from taking it.

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If everyone sat quiet, it might've passed without too many people noticing. Now that we doubled down and raised the bet - if their sales increase, it will be a greater incentive for others.

If you believe everybody hates the Jews, it follows that more people would be happy about it...
B&J announced it to the world so sitting quiet is long over. Most companies go to great lengths to convince everyone they’re neutral, if they can get away with something they’ll do it, if it creates a firestorm they’ll quickly back out. Look at what Unilever is going through now. They’re out there trying to convince everyone they really support Israel & they’ll find some way around the spot they’ve been put in. If not for this pressure being applied B&J would be pulled from all of israel.

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B&J announced it to the world
Nobody would've noticed
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #188 on: July 23, 2021, 11:22:29 AM »
How many people do you think will actually make their Ice Creams choices differently out of anti-semitism?
It's a good question and I don't know. But worth acknowledging they already got a ton of free marketing from the Rashida Tlaibs of the world tweeting things like now I know where I'm going to get my ice cream, etc.

My gut is - boycott is more powerful than buycott, but their numbers are bigger than ours - so I'm not sure how it will net.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #189 on: July 23, 2021, 11:24:30 AM »
How many people do you think will actually make their Ice Creams choices differently out of anti-semitism?
Probably more than those who will make their decision based on an anti-Israel move, though both are probably negligible to direct sales and the question is more about partnerships.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #190 on: July 23, 2021, 11:25:45 AM »
Nobody would've noticed
It's a good question and I don't know. But worth acknowledging they already got a ton of free marketing from the Rashida Tlaibs of the world tweeting things like now I know where I'm going to get my ice cream, etc.
Which one? Tlaib wouldn't have noticed?
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #191 on: July 23, 2021, 11:25:48 AM »
If you make the woke path riskier, that will prevent them from taking it.
The woke path is not bad just because it happens to be against many of our principles. It is anti freedom (while wearing freedom clothes...). The danger of responding in kind is validating them as a fair opponent. You are in effect negotiating with terrorists.
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Nobody would've noticed

What? Their announcement was in response to a Boston Globe feature about their silence on social media since the Hamas-Israel war. The pressure had been mounting to the point they were compelled to make the announcement, and it was picked up by every media outlet.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #193 on: July 23, 2021, 11:29:03 AM »
Which one? Tlaib wouldn't have noticed?
Talib or B&J don't have the power to put something on the national conversation. It would've gone unnoticed.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #194 on: July 23, 2021, 11:34:45 AM »
Talib or B&J don't have the power to put something on the national conversation. It would've gone unnoticed.

It was front-page news. What are you on about?

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Nobody would've noticed
WRONG!! It was all over the place before any outrage or response began.

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B&J is one of the most progressive companies around - is there another that included a similar activism clause in a $300 million deal? And yet even they had been unsuccessful in their attempts to enact BDS, not for lack of desire. And even now, they announced it without a concrete plan on how they plan on enacting it when their current contract ends, and it was announced under immense pressure! Unilever is clearly pissed and trying its utmost to do damage control. As things stand, can you envision a blue-chip company following B&J?

Did you know about the "activism clause" before this week? How can you claim to know how many other companies also have "activism" as one of their values?

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Did you know about the "activism clause" before this week? How can you claim to know how many other companies also have "activism" as one of their values?
While it might not be a “value” of theirs they bend to pressure. If there’s only pressure from 1 side they’ll give in to them.

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Did you know about the "activism clause" before this week? How can you claim to know how many other companies also have "activism" as one of their values?

Yes, Ben & Jerry's has long been known for being outspoken. Ben and Jerry go around speaking about it an awful lot, and I have heard about it. Look in this thread and you'll see I expressed surprise that people didn't know about their activism. They've famously made flavors celebrating same-sex marriage legislation and the like. And I don't know that no other company has such a clause, but when you read the reports from the time of the sale, it is spoken about as an anomaly.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #199 on: July 23, 2021, 06:24:20 PM »
New York state comptroller Tom Dinapoli sent Unilever a letter requesting a comment within 90 days regarding Ben & Jerry's recent decision on Israel sales. The letter says NYS Retirement Fund intends to include Unilever on our list of companies participating in BDS activity if these reports are correct.