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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #220 on: July 26, 2021, 10:37:14 PM »
Ben & Brad & Jerry’s
https://twitter.com/KalmanYeger/status/1419737772529700872
Wow, never knew Brad Lander was like that. Shameful.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #221 on: July 26, 2021, 10:53:22 PM »
Wow, never knew Brad Lander was like that. Shameful.
That’s because he’s in hibernation until elections.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #222 on: July 26, 2021, 11:20:06 PM »
Wow, never knew Brad Lander was like that. Shameful.
Yea, he’s pretty far left

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #223 on: July 26, 2021, 11:24:50 PM »
Unless I'm getting him mixed up, he is pro BDS and said he would divest from Israeli companies, not just companies operating over the green line.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #224 on: July 26, 2021, 11:50:43 PM »
Unless I'm getting him mixed up, he is pro BDS and said he would divest from Israeli companies, not just companies operating over the green line.
I wasn't following. Shameful. And shameful that some frum people lobby for him.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #228 on: August 05, 2021, 11:28:43 AM »
https://twitter.com/AviKaner/status/1423249780923318274

The irony is that the whole “systemic racism”/“biopic” narrative/agenda completely ignores Native Americans.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #229 on: August 05, 2021, 12:15:07 PM »
The irony is that the whole “systemic racism”/“biopic” narrative/agenda completely ignores Native Americans.

Or simple historical facts of how borders have been drawn all over the world.

https://twitter.com/kayygroup/status/1417255231277211652?s=21
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #231 on: August 08, 2021, 06:03:28 AM »
http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/8721-%e2%80%93-shiur-333-%e2%80%93-is-kashrus-just-on-the-food-the-ben-jerrys-saga-%e2%80%93-reb-moshe-feinsteim-jackie-mason/

Rabbi Moshe Taub explaining why he feels that the Chof K should not remove their Hechsher from B&J's. Based on an article in the Ami magazine which I haven't read.
1. We don't want companies to get involved in politics. (Except that we do. Sometimes.)
2. We don't want to take away parnossah from the Mashgichim who are dependent on B&J's. (OK....)
3. We don't want to call unwanted attention to the amount of power that Orthodox Kashrus organizations wield on a national/international level. This may be his most convincing argument.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #232 on: August 08, 2021, 07:29:54 AM »
3. We don't want to call unwanted attention to the amount of power that Orthodox Kashrus organizations wield on a national/international level. This may be his most convincing argument.

With great power comes great responsibility. Championing this cause could end up hurting a Kashrus organization if other companies under supervision or considering supervision end up getting another Kosher symbol (or to be extreme, going uncertified) because they don’t appreciate that the agency takes action when it comes to things beyond what they’re certifying.

Remember after the Agri raid leftist orthodoxy tried to push for Kashrus agencies that certified other aspects of a company not just limited to “Kosher dietary concerns”, Tav HaYosher and the like, it’s likely a good thing such an initiative didn’t take off. Kashrus has enough politics as it is even without mixing in any of that potentially messy stuff.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #233 on: August 08, 2021, 09:09:52 AM »
I can add a fourth reason: many, many Jews still eat it (and now sadly the secular lefties are mehader) so why would a Kashrus agency by allowed (for non-kashrus related reasons) to cause them to be eating non-kosher food?

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #234 on: August 08, 2021, 09:11:06 AM »
But where do you draw the line?

What if the B&J board had been successful in banning the product from all of Israel and called for more companies to go full BDS?

Which would have happened if Unilever didn't step it for a compromise.
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But where do you draw the line?

What if the B&J board had been successful in banning the product from all of Israel and called for more companies to go full BDS?

Which would have happened if Unilever didn't step it for a compromise.
You are making it sound like it is obvious that some line should be drawn with their policies towards Israel. I don't think that is the concensus. There are so many things that can be more important than any policy at all towards Israel.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #236 on: August 09, 2021, 01:37:19 PM »

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #238 on: August 12, 2021, 03:43:23 AM »
https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1425202851312246784
For defending Israel, these sort of arguments are the worst. It implies we really are the bad guys but we are so powerful that you'll never be able to boycott us. Israel needs to explain it's legitimacy rather then show off it's strength.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #239 on: August 12, 2021, 08:41:23 AM »
Israel needs to explain it's legitimacy
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