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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #340 on: July 01, 2022, 02:31:39 AM »
You don't eat OU?

I wonder if now that they don't use the English logo of B&J they could export to the US (and other countries). That would be a sweet revenge.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #341 on: July 01, 2022, 08:44:12 AM »
Now if only the Kashrus was upgraded, they might actually have a huge boost.

I remember from 10 years ago they had belz on some items.
Is that not the case anymore?

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #342 on: July 01, 2022, 09:10:19 AM »
I remember from 10 years ago they had belz on some items.
Is that not the case anymore?

Not as far as I know. Not really considered a Hechsher up to par (Poland cheese fiasco is just an example that went semi public).
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #343 on: July 01, 2022, 09:36:53 AM »
Not as far as I know. Not really considered a Hechsher up to par (Poland cheese fiasco is just an example that went semi public).

If understand you right You're saying two things in one sentence.

1. you don't think it has belz
2. Belz is not up to par. Par with OU or בד"ץ עדה החרדית / Rubin?
« Last Edit: July 01, 2022, 10:26:15 AM by mgarfin »

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #344 on: July 01, 2022, 10:17:40 AM »
I understand you right You're saying two things in one sentence.

1. you don't think it has belz
2. Belz is not up to par. Par with OU or בד"ץ עדה החרדית / Rubin?

You misunderstood me.

1. As far as I know, nothing changed still has belz on some products.
2. Belz (not talking about the Chassidus c"v, but about the Israeli hechsher) not up to par period. Not even in the same planet as any of the ones you mentioned, let alone ballpark. (which I presume is why @Dan referenced OU, as it is by leaps and bounds more reputable).

FTR: The "Poland fiasco" I keep on referring to involved two so-called "mehadrin" hechsherim. A visit by an inspector from the Israeli rabbanut found the operation to be not up to par with any kashrus standards, let along "mehadrin" or CY.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2022, 10:21:18 AM by ExGingi »
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #345 on: July 01, 2022, 10:22:37 AM »
You misunderstood me.

1. As far as I know, nothing changed still has belz on some products.
2. Belz (not talking about the Chassidus c"v, but about the Israeli hechsher) not up to par period. Not even in the same planet as any of the ones you mentioned, let alone ballpark. (which I presume is why @Dan referenced OU, as it is by leaps and bounds more reputable).

FTR: The "Poland fiasco" I keep on referring to involved two so-called "mehadrin" hechsherim. A visit by an inspector from the Israeli rabbanut found the operation to be not up to par with any kashrus standards, let along "mehadrin" or CY.

What's this Fiasco you're referring to? What happened?
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #346 on: July 01, 2022, 10:56:36 AM »
What's this Fiasco you're referring to? What happened?

IYKYK. Many people that are constantly interested in Kashrus heard about it/read the report.

I basically summarized it when I wrote:

A visit by an inspector from the Israeli rabbanut found the operation to be not up to par with any kashrus standards, let along "mehadrin" or CY.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #348 on: July 04, 2022, 04:26:02 PM »
in israel?
The OU says the standards are identical and that the difference are the politics involved.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #349 on: July 04, 2022, 04:46:13 PM »
The OU says the standards are identical and that the difference are the politics involved.

One difference I could think of is the schechita standards of an OU-supervised restaurant in the US (particularly in the tri-state area), might differ from an OU-supervised restaurant in Israel. Maybe the official baseline policies are the same but the effective standards likely vary in this regard.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #350 on: July 04, 2022, 05:43:03 PM »
mitzvos hatluyos ba'aretz?

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #351 on: July 04, 2022, 05:43:20 PM »
The OU says the standards are identical and that the difference are the politics involved.
of course they say that

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #352 on: July 04, 2022, 05:50:54 PM »
mitzvos hatluyos ba'aretz?

Especially this year
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #353 on: July 04, 2022, 06:16:06 PM »
of course they say that
So you don't trust them at all?

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #354 on: July 04, 2022, 06:19:54 PM »
of course they say that
Do you have information that proves otherwise?
Or perhaps people that only eat Eida/Landau turn their nose at the OU because it's lower than their standards?
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #355 on: July 04, 2022, 06:23:16 PM »
Do you have information that proves otherwise?
Or perhaps people that only eat Eida/Landau turn their nose at the OU because it's lower than their standards?
I have heard from people in kashrus, not sure if this is still true. In EY they rely on video cameras for CY.

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #356 on: July 04, 2022, 06:32:04 PM »
Do you have information that proves otherwise?
Or perhaps people that only eat Eida/Landau turn their nose at the OU because it's lower than their standards?
accusations might very well be false. but protestations by the defendant are hardly going to be very convincing

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #357 on: July 04, 2022, 06:47:11 PM »
accusations might very well be false. but protestations by the defendant are hardly going to be very convincing
So, do you not eat OU food in the US?
Or do you trust their kashrus in the US, but do not trust their US employees that OU Israel has the same standards as OU in chu"l?
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #359 on: July 04, 2022, 07:26:26 PM »
I have heard from people in kashrus, not sure if this is still true. In EY they rely on video cameras for CY.
Do the OU people in Kashrus not count?