Author Topic: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"  (Read 56747 times)

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #360 on: July 04, 2022, 07:36:55 PM »
Do the OU people in Kashrus not count?
do they say otherwise?

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #362 on: July 04, 2022, 07:45:12 PM »
I have heard from people in kashrus, not sure if this is still true. In EY they rely on video cameras for CY.

Cameras for CY are a Kashrus hot potato. Many reason that it should be acceptable (with the proper setup) but most don't want to break with custom.

And I am sure people had enough of my mention of the Poland fiasco, but that might just be an example where a good camera setup would have been by far better than what was setup there, with long travel times between farms (not the only problem).
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #363 on: July 05, 2022, 10:07:34 AM »
So, do you not eat OU food in the US?
Or do you trust their kashrus in the US, but do not trust their US employees that OU Israel has the same standards as OU in chu"l?
On this same note, do you trust OU in say, DXB or CMN?

If OU Rabbis in the US tell me that it's Israeli politics that is the cause for rumors that the OU has lower standards in Israel, I don't see any reason not to believe them. Fits right in with the kashrus mess that is Israel.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #364 on: July 05, 2022, 10:14:37 AM »
On this same note, do you trust OU in say, DXB or CMN?

If OU Rabbis in the US tell me that it's Israeli politics that is the cause for rumors that the OU has lower standards in Israel, I don't see any reason not to believe them. Fits right in with the kashrus mess that is Israel.

I find that plausible. The question is about their standards in the US.

I think it's rather universally accepted that they run a professional operation, it's their standards that not all will accept (lack of masgiach temidi for fish is a major issue that comes to mind). Which is why also in the US some will accept them for certain things and not for others.

Also it is important to note that food manufacturing/packing and retail food prep (restaurants/catering/hotels) are very different.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #365 on: July 05, 2022, 12:07:15 PM »
I find that plausible. The question is about their standards in the US.

I think it's rather universally accepted that they run a professional operation, it's their standards that not all will accept (lack of masgiach temidi for fish is a major issue that comes to mind). Which is why also in the US some will accept them for certain things and not for others.

Also it is important to note that food manufacturing/packing and retail food prep (restaurants/catering/hotels) are very different.
exactly. Many will rely on them for 'pareve' but for anything 'sensitive', at you mentioned, and CY etc. I trust they maintain their stated standards, but keep a different standard that they don't claim.

In Israel, (cue the MH story) nothing is 'pareve'. If love to know what their standards are for those issues, (and compared to others)
Relevant also to anything sold here made there (sodastream syrup comes to mind)

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #366 on: July 05, 2022, 04:16:51 PM »
On this same note, do you trust OU in say, DXB or CMN?

If OU Rabbis in the US tell me that it's Israeli politics that is the cause for rumors that the OU has lower standards in Israel, I don't see any reason not to believe them. Fits right in with the kashrus mess that is Israel.

Do people consider OU's dual certification with Kosher SA in JNB (BD) to be the same as OU in the USA?

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #367 on: July 05, 2022, 05:11:50 PM »
Ben & Jerry's sues parent Unilever to block sale of Israeli business

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-711300

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #368 on: July 05, 2022, 05:39:31 PM »
Ben & Jerry's sues parent Unilever to block sale of Israeli business

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-711300
Is this a game of up-showing their anti-Semitic credentials?

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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #369 on: July 05, 2022, 08:12:10 PM »
Do people consider OU's dual certification with Kosher SA in JNB (BD) to be the same as OU in the USA?
Never asked.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #370 on: July 05, 2022, 09:00:57 PM »
I wonder if "Cohen & Greenfield" could be registered as a trademark by Zinger, and then sold globally against the B&J "values".
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #371 on: July 05, 2022, 11:10:02 PM »
IIRC R’ Sholom Fishbain from the CRC told a friend of mine that OU in Israel is not as good as OU in America but he would and did eat in a restaurant that was OU (maybe Papagaio?).
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #378 on: August 22, 2022, 11:59:04 AM »
Nice!
Is there a link to this?

It's a good start, but all it means IIUC is that they don't get an injunction before it goes to trial.

Would love to see a lot more pain inflicted on B&J founders and board for their progressive agenda.
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Re: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"
« Reply #379 on: August 22, 2022, 12:02:41 PM »
It's a good start, but all it means IIUC is that they don't get an injunction before it goes to trial.

Would love to see a lot more pain inflicted on B&J founders and board for their progressive agenda.

The injunction is the key. With an injunction the Court would block the sale to the WB company. If the action proceeds in due course, B&J may be able to get damages from Unilever, but that's it.