Author Topic: Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory" (Read 64031 times)

Happyguy · « **Reply #120 on:** July 21, 2021, 07:54:27 AM »

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/310309

Yonah · « **Reply #121 on:** July 21, 2021, 08:41:22 AM »

This was trolling at its best!

Quote from: Happyguy on July 21, 2021, 07:54:27 AM

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/310309

Yonah · « **Reply #122 on:** July 21, 2021, 09:02:05 AM »

This is where it starts to get interesting: https://www.jta.org/2021/07/20/united-states/how-us-laws-against-israel-boycotts-could-hit-ben-jerrys

Unilever's stock is down about 1% in the last few days - but I don't necessarily know that the B&J thing is fueling it. However if state AGs take action - non-renewal of B&J contracts for college food service, highway rest stops, or divestment of unilever from pension funds - we might see it really tanking.

Three other Random thoughts:
- With a simple press release, B&J just got a lot of "free" publicity. The question is, do they make more money from appeasing the woke BDS Community than they lose by alienating the jews?
- As has been stated earlier - the whole thing is disingenuous - non-renewal of a contract doesn't mean they've stopped selling, and how can they guarantee that they will continue to sell in Israel proper and not what they consider "occupied territory" until they find a partner willing to do so.
- It seems that when Unilever bought B&J, they had an arrangement to allow the B&J's board to make decisions when it came to their social agenda. I wonder how that relationship survives now.

Yehudaa · « **Reply #123 on:** July 21, 2021, 11:37:35 AM »

https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-kosher-authority-delists-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-over-west-bank-ban/

Although I would personally support a boycott, I have mixed feelings about kashrus organizations certifying/recommending products based on a company's ethics, as it's not really directly related to kashrus. Obviously pulling them from a list of recommended products is a bit less than actually revoking a hechsher, but I still think this is unclear.

I'm sure this has been discussed before, maybe about certifying marijuana products, establishments with non-tznius waitresses/entertainment (I think that's a bigger debate amongst the chareidi hechsherim in Israel) or other non-kashrus aspects of an establishment, but I feel like this—unlike the other examples I listed—really doesn't affect the religious observance of the consumer in any way so maybe kashrus agencies should stay away from providing an opinion. I'm not sure...

EliJelly · « **Reply #124 on:** July 21, 2021, 11:40:19 AM »

Quote from: Yehudaa on July 21, 2021, 11:37:35 AM

https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-kosher-authority-delists-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-over-west-bank-ban/

Although I would personally support a boycott, I have mixed feelings about kashrus organizations certifying/recommending products based on a company's ethics, as it's not really directly related to kashrus. Obviously pulling them from a list of recommended products is a bit less than actually revoking a hechsher, but I still think this is unclear.

I'm sure this has been discussed before, maybe about certifying marijuana products, establishments with non-tznius waitresses/entertainment (I think that's a bigger debate amongst the chareidi hechsherim in Israel) or other non-kashrus aspects of an establishment, but I feel like this—unlike the other examples I listed—really doesn't affect the religious observance of the consumer in any way so maybe kashrus agencies should stay away from providing an opinion. I'm not sure...

I'm sure Badatz Eida charedis wouldn't pull their certification over this.

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #125 on:** July 21, 2021, 11:54:48 AM »

Quote from: Yehudaa on July 21, 2021, 11:37:35 AM

https://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-kosher-authority-delists-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-over-west-bank-ban/

Although I would personally support a boycott, I have mixed feelings about kashrus organizations certifying/recommending products based on a company's ethics, as it's not really directly related to kashrus. Obviously pulling them from a list of recommended products is a bit less than actually revoking a hechsher, but I still think this is unclear.

I'm sure this has been discussed before, maybe about certifying marijuana products, establishments with non-tznius waitresses/entertainment (I think that's a bigger debate amongst the chareidi hechsherim in Israel) or other non-kashrus aspects of an establishment, but I feel like this—unlike the other examples I listed—really doesn't affect the religious observance of the consumer in any way so maybe kashrus agencies should stay away from providing an opinion. I'm not sure...

https://twitter.com/YeahThatsKosher/status/1417582439074091019

People already consider hechsherim a political matter, removing a hechsher for politics and not halacha will harm hechsherim more than it will harm B&J.

The KA move is just publicity. They aren't removing their hechsher, it's not under their hashgacha in the first place. They just aren't publishing it as approved and they're pushing the products they certify.

TimT · « **Reply #126 on:** July 21, 2021, 11:57:45 AM »

Quote from: EliJelly on July 21, 2021, 11:40:19 AM

I'm sure Badatz Eida charedis wouldn't pull their certification over this.

But they can now call it Cholov Yishmoel.

YitzyS · « **Reply #127 on:** July 21, 2021, 12:33:20 PM »

bluestrings had a good tweet about this, saying that nobody should pull any kashrus certifications.

moko · « **Reply #128 on:** July 21, 2021, 01:20:00 PM »

Quote from: YitzyS on July 21, 2021, 12:33:20 PM

bluestrings had a good tweet about this, saying that nobody should pull any kashrus certifications.

Wouldn't want to give these up

Dan · « **Reply #129 on:** July 21, 2021, 01:21:21 PM »

Quote from: moko on July 21, 2021, 01:20:00 PM

Wouldn't want to give these up

These are MUCH better:
https://www.eatpastry.com/products

zh cohen · « **Reply #130 on:** July 21, 2021, 01:24:17 PM »

Quote from: moko on July 21, 2021, 01:20:00 PM

Wouldn't want to give these up

These are gross. Taste like lumps of sugar.

YitzyS · « **Reply #131 on:** July 21, 2021, 01:33:33 PM »

Quote from: zh cohen on July 21, 2021, 01:24:17 PM

These are gross. Taste like lumps of sugar.

Are they gross or do they taste like lumps of sugar?

TimT · « **Reply #132 on:** July 21, 2021, 01:35:11 PM »

https://twitter.com/hasidic_1/status/1417882332057452549

yos9694 · « **Reply #133 on:** July 21, 2021, 01:38:04 PM »

Quote from: TimT on July 21, 2021, 01:35:11 PM

https://twitter.com/hasidic_1/status/1417882332057452549

This is the death blow

Happyguy · « **Reply #134 on:** July 21, 2021, 02:01:05 PM »

yesitsme · « **Reply #135 on:** July 21, 2021, 08:20:41 PM »

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2021/07/should-kashrus-orgs-remove-hashgacha.html

moko · « **Reply #136 on:** July 21, 2021, 08:26:05 PM »

Chalav Yisrael, move out of the way....BDS, here we come...

dasmo801 · « **Reply #137 on:** July 21, 2021, 09:57:02 PM »

Quote from: yesitsme on July 21, 2021, 08:20:41 PM

https://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2021/07/should-kashrus-orgs-remove-hashgacha.html

That would be an awful idea. Why would a kashrus organization want to be in the position of giving an implicit haskama to the politics of every company that they certify.

yesitsme · « **Reply #138 on:** July 21, 2021, 11:59:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/rich_goldberg/status/1418056863283916803

TimT · « **Reply #139 on:** July 22, 2021, 12:55:19 AM »

https://twitter.com/aimhumor/status/1418068526829613058