Ben & Jerry’s To Stop Selling In "Occupied Palestinian Territory"

[Ver hut gazugt]

Do the OU people in Kashrus not count?

do they say otherwise?

[Dan]

do they say otherwise?

Yes.

[ExGingi]

I have heard from people in kashrus, not sure if this is still true. In EY they rely on video cameras for CY.

Cameras for CY are a Kashrus hot potato. Many reason that it should be acceptable (with the proper setup) but most don't want to break with custom.

And I am sure people had enough of my mention of the Poland fiasco, but that might just be an example where a good camera setup would have been by far better than what was setup there, with long travel times between farms (not the only problem).

[Dan]

So, do you not eat OU food in the US?
Or do you trust their kashrus in the US, but do not trust their US employees that OU Israel has the same standards as OU in chu"l?

On this same note, do you trust OU in say, DXB or CMN?

If OU Rabbis in the US tell me that it's Israeli politics that is the cause for rumors that the OU has lower standards in Israel, I don't see any reason not to believe them. Fits right in with the kashrus mess that is Israel.

[ExGingi]

On this same note, do you trust OU in say, DXB or CMN?

If OU Rabbis in the US tell me that it's Israeli politics that is the cause for rumors that the OU has lower standards in Israel, I don't see any reason not to believe them. Fits right in with the kashrus mess that is Israel.

I find that plausible. The question is about their standards in the US.

I think it's rather universally accepted that they run a professional operation, it's their standards that not all will accept (lack of masgiach temidi for fish is a major issue that comes to mind). Which is why also in the US some will accept them for certain things and not for others.

Also it is important to note that food manufacturing/packing and retail food prep (restaurants/catering/hotels) are very different.

[gozalim]

I find that plausible. The question is about their standards in the US.

I think it's rather universally accepted that they run a professional operation, it's their standards that not all will accept (lack of masgiach temidi for fish is a major issue that comes to mind). Which is why also in the US some will accept them for certain things and not for others.

Also it is important to note that food manufacturing/packing and retail food prep (restaurants/catering/hotels) are very different.

exactly. Many will rely on them for 'pareve' but for anything 'sensitive', at you mentioned, and CY etc. I trust they maintain their stated standards, but keep a different standard that they don't claim.

In Israel, (cue the MH story) nothing is 'pareve'. If love to know what their standards are for those issues, (and compared to others)
Relevant also to anything sold here made there (sodastream syrup comes to mind)

[Yehuda57]

On this same note, do you trust OU in say, DXB or CMN?

If OU Rabbis in the US tell me that it's Israeli politics that is the cause for rumors that the OU has lower standards in Israel, I don't see any reason not to believe them. Fits right in with the kashrus mess that is Israel.

Do people consider OU's dual certification with Kosher SA in JNB (BD) to be the same as OU in the USA?

[WhiteWolf]

Ben & Jerry's sues parent Unilever to block sale of Israeli business

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-711300

[yelped]

Ben & Jerry's sues parent Unilever to block sale of Israeli business

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-711300

Is this a game of up-showing their anti-Semitic credentials?

[Dan]

Do people consider OU's dual certification with Kosher SA in JNB (BD) to be the same as OU in the USA?

Never asked.

[ExGingi]

I wonder if "Cohen & Greenfield" could be registered as a trademark by Zinger, and then sold globally against the B&J "values".

[S209]

IIRC R’ Sholom Fishbain from the CRC told a friend of mine that OU in Israel is not as good as OU in America but he would and did eat in a restaurant that was OU (maybe Papagaio?).

[Dan]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-07-06/ty-article-magazine/.premium/meet-the-israeli-who-wants-to-rename-chunky-monkey-to-judea-and-samaria/00000181-d27b-df27-a7b7-da7f9f110000

[Dan]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ben-jerrys-should-avoid-geopolitics-unilever-boss-says-amid-israel-spat-11658840299

[JuryDuty]

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/israeli-students-accuse-ben-jerrys-of-occupying-tribal-land/

[tavster]

[Dan]

Nice!
Is there a link to this?

[tavster]

Nice!
Is there a link to this?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-22/ben-jerry-s-loses-bid-for-injunction-in-israel-brand-deal

[ExGingi]

Nice!
Is there a link to this?

It's a good start, but all it means IIUC is that they don't get an injunction before it goes to trial.

Would love to see a lot more pain inflicted on B&J founders and board for their progressive agenda.

[NTorch]

It's a good start, but all it means IIUC is that they don't get an injunction before it goes to trial.

Would love to see a lot more pain inflicted on B&J founders and board for their progressive agenda.

The injunction is the key. With an injunction the Court would block the sale to the WB company. If the action proceeds in due course, B&J may be able to get damages from Unilever, but that's it.