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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #120 on: August 08, 2021, 02:33:03 PM »
I don't think anyone knows if James Black is real, but it rings true to me at any rate, in at least one of the problem flights.
I don't understand all this news coverage with zero firsthand interviews with the girls. Nothing but hearsay and conjecture.
Legal issues maybe?  Do reporters usually interview a minor without parental consent?

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #121 on: August 08, 2021, 02:33:30 PM »
Lol, I often eat before take off. After making my way through security, boarding, etc.that's when you finally sit down and have a minute to breathe. Never ever been asked not to, covid times or otherwise. Somehow I'm doubtful that after being kicked off one flight already, they ignored FA instructions on the next one.
Same here. I'll often board, stow my belongings, buckle up, settle in and pull my foil :). Never knew it was even a gray area offense (tray table stowed of course)
In any case, I don't think this was the real issue. Neither was the seat change. Even if we should accept that either of those are out of line, neither is grave enough to warrant ejection.
It runs much deeper than the surface.
In all likelihood, it was the wounded ego of one KLM agent, and the triumph challenge/contest that followed.
What was "HE" doing on that Delta flight that morning? Is he the sole security agent at Schiphol?
There are many other indicators that the seeds for this were planted still on their outbound encounter with this agent at AMS  over 2 weeks ago.

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #122 on: August 08, 2021, 02:47:58 PM »
I thought that way to until dealing with repeat offenders in person.
Could very well be that someone was out to get them, but I'd like to hear more firsthand before passing judgment either way,
In plain analogy,
 You receive a distinctly negative report about a particular student coming into your class for the new year. He/she is painted in obnoxious malice by a colleague teacher one grade your junior,  a colleague who works with you almost daily and whom you consider a buddy/ally. Even if you are typically an objective person in mind and perspective, what are the chances that on first encounter (first day of school) you'd view that child through a neutral lens even?
 Can you see an otherwise logical and level-headed teacher overreacting if said student happens to hickup or cough a bit too forcefully? Are either of the two ever deemed grounds for expulsion from class? Nay, but under the influence of preconceived notions and confirmation bias, - perhaps.
I'm not saying the group was a docile herd of sheep on their KLM flights. The KLM response and action can be  debated.
But the groups' expulsion from DL47 Friday morning warrants internal review.

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #123 on: August 08, 2021, 02:53:37 PM »
In plain analogy,
 You receive a distinctly negative report about a particular student coming into your class for the new year. He/she is painted in obnoxious malice by a colleague teacher one grade your junior,  a colleague who works with you almost daily and whom you consider a buddy/ally. Even if you are typically an objective person in mind and perspective, what are the chances that on first encounter (first day of school) you'd view that child through a neutral lens even?
 Can you see an otherwise logical and level-headed teacher overreacting if said student happens to hickup or cough a bit too forcefully? Are either of the two ever deemed grounds for expulsion from class? Nay, but under the influence of preconceived notions and confirmation bias, - perhaps.
I'm not saying the group was a docile herd of sheep on their KLM flights. The KLM response and action can be  debated.
But the groups' expulsion from DL47 Friday morning warrants internal review.
Like I said, my inbox is open and I'm happy to amplify where warranted.
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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #124 on: August 08, 2021, 03:20:16 PM »
There was no interview with the girls themselves (hopefully there will be once they return). They did, however, speak to a brother who spoke to the girls, as well as the woman who asked to switch seats. They also spoke to someone else on the flight who didn't see much but saw enough to say the girls weren't treated properly. None of these are great sources but they sure beat "James Black" in my opinion.
Hopefully, more clarity is coming.
You want to believe the relatives of the girls involved?
Sorry but that won't fly.  :)
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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #125 on: August 08, 2021, 03:26:20 PM »
You want to believe the relatives of the girls involved?
Sorry but that won't fly.  :)
No, I want to wait for more facts and clarity. But it's as close as we have right now. Again, let's wait to hear more.

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #126 on: August 08, 2021, 03:31:40 PM »
I have no doubt that there was at least some anti semitism involved here.
Often, it's how you react to being wronged which determines the outcome.
I'm probably in the minority here but I'd probably do whatever it takes to get on with my day rather than I didn't I'm right in the face of antisemitic behavior, especially when I have work and/ or family responsibilities that will be affected by my response.
Sometimes, no matter how you respond or don't respond, you'll still end up like these girls.
It's an unfortunate world we live in.
Trust me, I'm the last guy to make a scene in such a situation. You should hear me threaten my 3-year-old with all sorts of horrible things if he dares to remove his mask when we fly.
I once gave him a lollypop to suck because he wouldn't keep his mask on (midflight), the SWA FA got on the loudspeaker immediately: "Please make sure your mask is covering your mouth and nose unless actively eating...and no, lollypops don't count"! But she said it with a smile.

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #128 on: August 08, 2021, 03:51:56 PM »
Again, let's wait to hear more.
I agree and so far I have made no judgement.
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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #129 on: August 08, 2021, 04:19:32 PM »
It's about getting what you want vs being right.
I fly on an almost weekly basis, including since throughout COVID.
There are still DL flight attendants saying that they can't use the coat closet due to COVID. Big deal.
Just recently, a flight attendant told me I couldn't eat outside of mealtime JFK-LAX D1 764 (so it clearly wasn't bothering anyone), just another schmuck in my life who I'll probably never see again.

You should be my best friend.

Legit what you said has been my modus operandi my whole life

"Just another shmuck in my life I'll likely never encounter again"

I let people have their power trip and focus on getting from point A to point B.

Or as a friend who's on this board said to me "that's not a mountain I want to die on"

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #130 on: August 08, 2021, 04:21:30 PM »
I've been wont to say, on my matzeivah it is going to say, "He had right of way."
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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #131 on: August 08, 2021, 04:26:54 PM »
I'm not keen to judge either way. But I've seen first hand a lack of listening to authority by frum people that galled me.

I've seen from non frum and non Jews too.. I'm just saying I have no reason not to believe that this group didn't listen.

Was on an elal flight landed in TLV that the second the plane hit the ground chasidim jumped up to grab their luggage from overhead bind, caption gets on the pa and says "zetz zich avek"

True it was erev rh but still...

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #132 on: August 08, 2021, 04:41:31 PM »
I'm not keen to judge either way. But I've seen first hand a lack of listening to authority by frum people that galled me.

I've seen from non frum and non Jews too.. I'm just saying I have no reason not to believe that this group didn't listen.

Was on an elal flight landed in TLV that the second the plane hit the ground chasidim jumped up to grab their luggage from overhead bind, caption gets on the pa and says "zetz zich avek"

True it was erev rh but still...
Overheard from the flight deck upon landing:
"Enjoy your stay and have a Merry X-Mas everyone. And for all those out of your seats and opening the overhead bins—Happy Hannukah"

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #133 on: August 08, 2021, 04:46:01 PM »
X-posting here
"sticking a camera in a flight attendants" Should be "attendant's"

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #134 on: August 08, 2021, 04:51:08 PM »
And for all those out of your seats and opening the overhead bins—Happy Hannukah"
LOL
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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #137 on: August 08, 2021, 09:29:58 PM »
i believe from what i heard 3rd hand is that they git kicked off a delta flight and also a klm flight

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Re: 18 US Orthodox Jewish girls kicked off a Delta flight...
« Reply #139 on: August 08, 2021, 09:32:51 PM »
i believe from what i heard 3rd hand is that they git kicked off a delta flight and also a klm flight
Ouch!
Can't wait to get the full story.  :)
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