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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #540 on: December 29, 2021, 06:18:34 PM »
Anyone can calculate the difference  in total reported  deaths daily regardless of what date they were attributed to. This was discussed at length previously. Maybe even in this thread.

What difference  does it make to us now how the summer numbers were reported?

Because they are still reported that way now.

And it is not as easy as you claim to compare FL to other states on an apples to apples basis because they still report their death numbers in bulk batches ~1/wk. So they'll jump up one day and then increase by 1 or 2 the rest of the week. 

It matters because I often see posts like the below that show how "FL is so great  because only 1 person died in the last day". Generally, that either means (1) they are comparing deaths that occurred and reported in the past day with deaths that were just reported in the past day, or (2) they are picking a day that FL did not batch report deaths, rather than looking at something like a 14 day rolling average. 



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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #541 on: December 29, 2021, 06:23:43 PM »
OK so lets see:
I guess Its still better to be in FL or TX
if you to catch covid!!!
You stopped mid-sentence.  :P
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #542 on: December 29, 2021, 06:24:43 PM »
if you to catch covid!!!
You stopped mid-sentence.  :P

I think you accidentally a word
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #543 on: December 29, 2021, 06:26:34 PM »
The covid Survival rate for someone in my situation is between 99-100% I would much rather decide where I live based on the COVID restrictions vs numbers, Covid is the same all over and your own protection depends only on yourself
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #544 on: December 29, 2021, 06:27:04 PM »
I think you accidentally a word
I see what you did there.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #545 on: December 29, 2021, 06:28:07 PM »
The covid Survival rate for someone in my situation is between 99-100% I would much rather decide where I live based on the COVID restrictions vs numbers, Covid is the same all over and your own protection depends only on yourself
The "ME" generation!!!
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #546 on: December 29, 2021, 06:42:26 PM »
The "ME" generation!!!
Nice buzz word, can you elaborate?
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #547 on: December 30, 2021, 12:26:42 PM »
if you to catch covid!!!
You stopped mid-sentence.  :P
I didn't take any covid vaccine, I never wear a mask besides when they enforce it, I never did and social distance thing besides when they enforced it!
And I never caught covid! what I am trying to say that nothing will help people will still get covid doesn't matter how many restrictions they try enforcing, so at least live in a place not like NY and CA who are run by Liberals!

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #548 on: December 30, 2021, 02:39:52 PM »
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #549 on: December 30, 2021, 02:51:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/erlichya/status/1476609028830736387
This looks like cherry picked data, unless the same would hold up with other timelines on the x-axis.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #550 on: December 30, 2021, 04:07:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/erlichya/status/1476609028830736387

I hate these charts because they oversimplify things and don't tell the entire story. Two cherry-picked examples for illustration:
1. NY had 75%+ of its deaths before vaccines were a part of the equation, while FL had only 30% of its deaths by the same time period:


NY vs FL Cumulative Deaths

2. Maine has a relatively high vaccination rate, but they also have significantly more deaths because their population skews older (which is true for FL as well)
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #551 on: December 30, 2021, 04:17:25 PM »

1. NY had 75%+ of its deaths before vaccines were a part of the equation, while FL had only 30% of its deaths by the same time period:

Therefore this applies here too.

There is one major point they are leaving out. The Trump administration was dealing with a virus that was new and entirely unknown both regarding prevention and treatment. The Biden administration came in with a year of experience in treatment and prevention and approved vaccines.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #552 on: December 30, 2021, 04:31:44 PM »
Therefore this applies here too.


100%, but I was speaking narrowly about the chart in the tweet I quoted and how it doesn’t tell the entire story
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #553 on: December 30, 2021, 04:32:48 PM »
How can vaccines help before they were invented and used?

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #554 on: December 30, 2021, 04:34:34 PM »
How can vaccines help before they were invented and used?

That particular factor only makes DeSantis look worse, but I’m commenting on the chart in general and not on this particular context.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #555 on: December 30, 2021, 04:37:10 PM »
Also, a number of highly vaccinated states (like VT) got hit hard after vaccines were introduced.

They still have not had high levels of hospitalization or deaths.

The trend isn’t just w NJ/NY. it’s all over the country.

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #556 on: December 30, 2021, 07:19:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/erlichya/status/1476609028830736387

Something is way off about this chart. Seemingly OP's point is that Florida is performing poorly because of vaccination rates, but looking at other states with similar vaccination rates, Florida is performing much worse than expected. Why is that? And why is that a knock against Florida?

Then you have the undefined "death" term, is it tracking COVID deaths or all-purpose deaths? If all-purpose deaths, that's a pretty useless COVID chart. If it's tracking COVID deaths, it should be age adjusted.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #557 on: December 30, 2021, 07:22:43 PM »
Something is way off about this chart. Seemingly OP's point is that Florida is performing poorly because of vaccination rates, but looking at other states with similar vaccination rates, Florida is performing much worse than expected. Why is that? And why is that a knock against Florida?

Then you have the undefined "death" term, is it tracking COVID deaths or all-purpose deaths? If all-purpose deaths, that's a pretty useless COVID chart. If it's tracking COVID deaths, it should be age adjusted.

Maybe bc Florida also was more crowded and open than other states?

Age can be a factor too.

Or it could be because they had a particularly bad wave.

Age and density adjusted would be nice, but it’s also helpful to look at simple metrics that have fewer assumptions baked in. 

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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #558 on: December 30, 2021, 07:26:38 PM »
Maybe bc Florida also was more crowded and open than other states?

Age can be a factor too.

Or it could be because they had a particularly bad wave.

Age and density adjusted would be nice, but it’s also helpful to look at simple metrics that have fewer assumptions baked in.

Ignore ages of the retiree state and assume deaths has to do with pre-vaccine COVID requirements even though this data is not shown on the chart? I guess this chart is pretty misleading then.
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Re: #DeathSantis
« Reply #559 on: December 30, 2021, 07:29:12 PM »
Ignore ages of the retiree state and assume deaths has to do with pre-vaccine COVID requirements even though this data is not shown on the chart? I guess this chart is pretty misleading then.
Also ignores density of NJ/downstate NY.

Yet the trend is pretty clear.

You don’t need a perfect comparison to see trends or patterns.